Re: [zones-discuss] Using zones for simple usage

2009-07-24 Thread Menno Lageman
Anon Y Mous wrote: But this is fairly far from the Zones-discuss topic. I respectfully disagree, I think this is part of the Zones-discuss topic. The whole reason people want a minimal OpenSolaris install is to have a global zone with nothing running in it (except for maybe an SSH server an

Re: [zones-discuss] Using zones for simple usage

2009-07-23 Thread Anon Y Mous
> But this is fairly far from the Zones-discuss topic. I respectfully disagree, I think this is part of the Zones-discuss topic. The whole reason people want a minimal OpenSolaris install is to have a global zone with nothing running in it (except for maybe an SSH server and an internal crossb

Re: [zones-discuss] Using zones for simple usage

2009-07-22 Thread Moore, Joe
Jeff Victor wrote: > Seriously, it would be helpful for Sun to understand the advantages of > a release that doesn't have a GUI as an option. In other words, what > problems are caused by the existence of the GUI software (besides > wasted disk space)? > > Instead of a separate distro, perhaps it

Re: [zones-discuss] Using zones for simple usage

2009-07-20 Thread Anon Y Mous
Rats. This post was supposed to be below my other two older posts in the forum, not above them. My bad. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zones-discuss mailing list zones-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zones-discuss] Using zones for simple usage

2009-07-20 Thread Anon Y Mous
I know some of you guys are chuckling at my statements thinking "well, maybe his postfix and apache and BIND / named servers don't have a windowing environment, but Oracle needs X-windows". Well, actually it's possible to install Oracle without using X-windows on Red Hat Enterprise Linux (see li

Re: [zones-discuss] Using zones for simple usage

2009-07-19 Thread Anon Y Mous
> Another option: Have you tried using the Automated Installer > to install OpenSolaris without X, Gnome, etc.? In regards to using or not using the automated installer, keep in mind that some network administrators are VERY much against allowing anyone besides themselves to deploy a DHCP serv

Re: [zones-discuss] Using zones for simple usage

2009-07-19 Thread Anon Y Mous
> Instead of a separate distro, perhaps it would be simpler for > everybody if there was a "no-GUI server" installation option that > simply doesn't install the GUI tools. Would that meet your needs? Thanks for the quick response Jeff! We also already did have a discussion about having a minimal

Re: [zones-discuss] Using zones for simple usage

2009-07-19 Thread Jeff Victor
Thanks Jim. But the context is OpenSolaris, so time-to-patch is much less relevant. (Instead, time-to-update is relevant.) I strongly doubt that Solaris 10 will ever have a "server" distro. It's too late in the life of S10 for that. And because we're talking about OpenSolaris, disk space usage sho

Re: [zones-discuss] Using zones for simple usage

2009-07-19 Thread James Litchfield
In the days of packages and Solaris 10 (i.e., what is used now and will be for quite a while)... A) Much less time to install and instantiate whole root zones if you get rid of a lot of dross. This includes service instantiation. Less disk space used for the zone. Disk space savings of mo

Re: [zones-discuss] Using zones for simple usage

2009-07-18 Thread Jeff Victor
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Anon Y Mous wrote: >> One thing I've found to be true though: either a machine is all zoned, or >> not. >> It gets horribly confusing to have real activity in the global zone, >> where you can half see the non-global zones, so if you have zones >> on a machine the

Re: [zones-discuss] Using zones for simple usage

2009-07-18 Thread Jeff Victor
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Peter Tribble wrote: > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: >> Alexander Skwar writes: >> >>> What he plans can be done easily using NGZ (non-global zones). >>> An NGZ also adds just a little bit of overhead (if any at all) to the >>> system - unlik

Re: [zones-discuss] Using zones for simple usage

2009-07-17 Thread Anon Y Mous
> One thing I've found to be true though: either a machine is all zoned, or not. > It gets horribly confusing to have real activity in the global zone, > where you can half see the non-global zones, so if you have zones > on a machine then it's easier to run nothing in the global zone and > just

Re: [zones-discuss] Using zones for simple usage

2009-07-16 Thread Peter Tribble
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: > Alexander Skwar writes: > >> What he plans can be done easily using NGZ (non-global zones). >> An NGZ also adds just a little bit of overhead (if any at all) to the >> system - unlike vbox. > > So you're saying a zone to handle all backup work

Re: [zones-discuss] Using zones for simple usage

2009-07-14 Thread Harry Putnam
Alexander Skwar writes: > What he plans can be done easily using NGZ (non-global zones). > An NGZ also adds just a little bit of overhead (if any at all) to the > system - unlike vbox. So you're saying a zone to handle all backup work is a sensible way to go at it... Can you tell me what would

Re: [zones-discuss] Using zones for simple usage

2009-07-14 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: > After reading only a little about zones.. I doubt I really get the > expected usage one might put a zone to. > > My case is very homespun just a home lan with at most... 6 > machines. > > 1 vista(laptop) 3 winXP 1 linux 1 Opensolaris (2009

Re: [zones-discuss] Using zones for simple usage

2009-07-14 Thread Alexander Skwar
Why? What he plans can be done easily using NGZ (non-global zones). An NGZ also adds just a little bit of overhead (if any at all) to the system - unlike vbox. What would be the gain of using a more complex technology like vbox/xen in comparison to NGZs? On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 13:42, Dr Hung-Sh

Re: [zones-discuss] Using zones for simple usage

2009-07-14 Thread Dr Hung-Sheng Tsao (LaoTsao)
May be use vbox or xen in opensolarris --- Original message --- From: Harry Putnam Sent: 14/7/'09, 7:35 After reading only a little about zones.. I doubt I really get the expected usage one might put a zone to. My case is very homespun just a home lan with at most... 6 machines.

[zones-discuss] Using zones for simple usage

2009-07-14 Thread Harry Putnam
After reading only a little about zones.. I doubt I really get the expected usage one might put a zone to. My case is very homespun just a home lan with at most... 6 machines. 1 vista(laptop) 3 winXP 1 linux 1 Opensolaris (2009.6 still using b111) I've been mainly a linux user until recently