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Christopher Lozinski wrote: > On 8/4/14, 7:09 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: >> You are arguing and blathering every other year the same nonsense >> without any outcome. >> > There has been a huge outcome. I now recognize that grok and ZTK are > a human factors disaster. It is way too complex for an ordinary > mortal to begin using. I was privileged to be able to watch it for > many years and figure out what to do with this mammoth piece of code. > Those of us who do manage to use it, do not get simple user > interfaces. I still do not quite understand Zope security. > Really the whole Grok/ZTK ecosystem needs to be rewritten with an eye > to Human Factors. You need an industrial engineer in charge, not a > computer scientist. > > I have also increased my self confidence. I am perhaps the only one > of the once numerous TTW developers to have mastered the Grok/ZTK > platform. I am now able to do what I need. The rest just faded > away. That is quite an impressive accomplishment on my part. > > I have a first release of Zopache running internally. > > More importantly I now have a possible Beta user I met through this > mailing list, we are in discussions on how to work together. Mission > accomplished. Thank you sir. > >> Have we seen any contribution, any code from you side of the last >> decade? > Well I have written 90% of the ZTFY wiki. And I wrote the entire > Zopache Wiki. I laid out exactly what is needed to be done. I gave > huge end user feedback to the mailing lists over the years. Sadly > people like you quite ignored it, and the whole community > consequently died. Don't blame me for that. I did my part. > > But your hostility on this mailing list has been so huge, that I am > now unlikely to release Zopache to open source. In any case, open > source is the wrong model from a Human Factors point of view. Then > they have to mess with last century's unix file system. And they > are scared of no support. People want a free hosted Zopache TTW. > Something like PythonAnywhere. And that is high on my list of things > to do. > > Open Source is also the wrong model for getting people to invest > their time and effort in the project. Unlike Linux there is not a > huge user demand. Maybe two of us to contribute. Maybe I need to > give out shares to anyone who wants to work on this project. I have > to figure out the details. > > With Zopache running as a free supported hosted solution, even a > neanderthal like you could use it. > > I do appreciate your provoking an interesting conversation. > > > > > > - -- Regards Andreas Jung andr...@andreas-jung.com about.me/andreasjung EuroPython 2014 Organization Team - Communications -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJT4QCAAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjmP4LwN+z2qFRRlhISf9X3Br4Z4M6 O5kVpPpodyYfHyu4orhYYkwOpEiSeWEhwNUuS6gowptKmOxIqrODjLrjordqFEfF ft/Py5VgiqtBdlZGFoRI+idKh5YKHyaA4t41hSsh9wOO0Vo/pMR0JjxRKOyJmetH kno8HuZkcRArhJz3z6AcJh9jF9NLK1OxJUNPt1cGNYMJlnLU2yP6kQiG2hBcd0rk rH+ljfvUHXQyf3Wkie0P200KJ5u2DA+WYyjcWz4+f04fq3Y+yCAlMHxnqCnM8rVs QL4DIZ6++C38Bbzt/NdS/H31PPj5q7PoqNgWooH7oT1vbhtChjPOzeQfotqTdgYD ytLqNdOKdVyUzJ6LIoP3P7ymlj4TMpwel4nsHSPnhvDJphtveT1o+cFFkVL/W11k QO7ZC6bFBWzhal2wYUhAi9PxYTiN4FgCcB7LFD9HTgQ82eYXUL6nHAv15n//oMuq aeXmFdr79mXvmSFSxfB5GEgPoGirmT8= =iHuO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )