Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-17 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/17/2015 03:01 PM, Simon Michael wrote: > What and where is current Zope2 ? - --- %< -- $ /opt/Python-2.7.9/bin/virtualenv /tmp/zwiki New python executable in /tmp/zwiki/bin/python Installing setuptools

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-17 Thread Simon Michael
On 3/16/15 6:37 PM, Jesus Cea wrote: > ZWIKI... God... > > Is there any possibility of upgrading it to support current Zope2?. I > have currently two zope instances: a current zope and an aging Zope 2.10 > just to host ZWIKI :(. Hi Jesus, as far as I know it works out of the box with Zope 2.13,

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-16 Thread robert rottermann
I just had to port an Intranet to modern hardware/Linux that has been created in 1996 using plain zope and has been "programmatically" untouched since 2001. The Intranet is rather complex and provides a kind of ERP on very technical data. The application consist of some 1000 little dtml scripts

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-16 Thread Jesus Cea
On 07/03/15 16:30, Simon Michael wrote: > I've sent you a download link. > > I’m somewhat familiar with it, as I managed at least the zope2 wiki (and > wrote Zwiki) ZWIKI... God... Is there any possibility of upgrading it to support current Zope2?. I have currently two zope instances: a current

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-13 Thread Miguel Beltran R.
When I started with Zope I loved its Zope Book. It was a super simple amd well documented book with a lot of examples. Zope3 and all that came later does not have it in my opinion. I saw right now jinja2 and doesn't like. insert code between html code in that way remember me dtml. it was good in

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-10 Thread Tom Gross
Again, I'm not sure if it is worth the thing but when I talk about marketing I don't mean just having a website. Everyone has one these days. Why should anyone visit especially the Zope website? I mean going to the people and talk to them, blog, tweet, whatever ... In the medieval times they kne

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-10 Thread Sean Upton
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 3:56 AM, Sebastian Tänzer wrote: > Chameleon is one of my favourite templating engines around. I like TAL and Chameleon's subtle improvements on it. I was recently attending a Python users group meeting presentation on Pyramid. The presenter, who strongly liked jinja2, di

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-09 Thread Jürgen Gmach
I'd like to work on hosting the wiki information. As I and my colleague just inherited a rather large Zope2 project, I'd really like to see - at least - the Zope 2 documentation to be kept up to date. Regards, Jürgen ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-08 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom Gross wrote: > Hello > > When it comes to Zope people seem to have 2 opinions. (Maybe that's > the 2 in the name ;-) ). A lot of people seem to use it (with or > even without Plone) and loving it and a lot of people call it dead > because there is

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-08 Thread Tom Gross
Hello When it comes to Zope people seem to have 2 opinions. (Maybe that's the 2 in the name ;-) ). A lot of people seem to use it (with or even without Plone) and loving it and a lot of people call it dead because there is (almost) no new development. At least on the Zope package itself. I my

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-07 Thread Simon Michael
I've sent you a download link. I’m somewhat familiar with it, as I managed at least the zope2 wiki (and wrote Zwiki), so please call on me for help as you need, on the mail list or directly. I’m sm in the #zope IRC channel. Thanks for working on it. -Simon On 3/7/15 7:17 AM, Simon Michael wrote:

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-07 Thread Simon Michael
Hi Bernard, great! You'll hear more from me in the next couple of days. -Simon On 3/7/15 2:49 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > Hi Simon > > I'd like to work on hosting the wiki information. > > Regards > Bernard > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Simon Michael wrote: > >> Nice discussion! >> >>

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-07 Thread Bernard Devlin
Hi Simon I'd like to work on hosting the wiki information. Regards Bernard On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Simon Michael wrote: > Nice discussion! > > I don't know about docs.zope.org, but I'll just add a status update on > the zope wikis, which held quite a lot of historical and reference > i

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-06 Thread Simon Michael
Nice discussion! I don't know about docs.zope.org, but I'll just add a status update on the zope wikis, which held quite a lot of historical and reference information. They used to be hosted by Zope Corp or maybe Zope Foundation, they went dark a few years back and no-one complained, more recently

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-06 Thread Nico Grubert
I use Zope since around 2001 and I still have some Zope 2 web applications running and they are just rock-solid and easy to update. I have never been convinced by Zope 3 and I have never seen any advantages for using the Zope 3 techniques. The Zope 2 core developers (I think Andreas has worked f

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-06 Thread Sebastian Tänzer
I just ran into that a few days ago looking for documentation about the PUT_factory which has not been copied from the original documenation to the new one at http://docs.zope.org/zope2/. But: It still existed and took about 15 seconds to google it. Who's maintaining docs.zope.org/zope2 at the

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-06 Thread Sebastian Tänzer
I do share some of the point of views, especially in regards to bad marketing about Zopes future versions and lack of documentation. I don't share the criticism on ZPT/TAL - actually I love Page Templates and the approach to templating it brought to the web world. Chameleon is one of my favourit

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-06 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If it is not dead then call it a zombie...you know what I mean :) - -aj Jaroslav Lukesh wrote: > Zope2 is not dead, it is mature product. I use it, I love it. > > Comunity is real small just now, because all what are discoverable, > is discovered. >

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-05 Thread Jaroslav Lukesh
Zope2 is not dead, it is mature product. I use it, I love it. Comunity is real small just now, because all what are discoverable, is discovered. Zope 2 download site is practically dead for many years, so more than 90% of products are not avaiable. This is the biggest problem because these p

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-04 Thread Andreas Jung
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eric Bréhault wrote: > Hello Sebastian, > > I guess the main problem is the future maintenance of Zope. For > instance, it is pretty sure that nobody will invest the time needed > to move it Python 3, and at some point it will probably be a > problem

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-04 Thread FLORAC Thierry
rt de Sebastian Tänzer Envoyé : mercredi 4 mars 2015 11:30 À : zope@zope.org Objet : [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra Hello ZOPE community, we're still developing websites using Zope2 + ZMS3 (www.zms-publishing.com) for years now and never ran into any real problems (compared to, let's say,

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-04 Thread Niels Dettenbach
Am Mittwoch, 4. März 2015, 13:42:13 schrieb Eric Bréhault: > For instance, it is pretty sure that nobody will invest the time needed to > move it Python 3, and at some point it will probably be a problem. This is just another such story which leads to non-interest of Users into Zope and let me com

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-04 Thread Eric Bréhault
Hello Sebastian, I guess the main problem is the future maintenance of Zope. For instance, it is pretty sure that nobody will invest the time needed to move it Python 3, and at some point it will probably be a problem. Eric On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Sebastian Tänzer wrote: > Hello ZOPE

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-04 Thread Bahman Movaqar
That's a good question: I'm not a Zope developer but I've been hosting several Plone sites (including my own) for about 5 years now; and I am *extremely* happy with the stability and security Zope+Plone offers. Despite a couple of attempts by me, I never could start developing with Zope. For me,

Re: [Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-04 Thread Niels Dettenbach
Am Mittwoch, 4. März 2015, 11:30:30 schrieb Sebastian Tänzer: > A few days ago on a barcamp the discussion lead to Zope and the usual > comments, i.e. "Zope is dead", "I would not use that", "Too complicated", > "Too old", "Outdated", and so on. This is "stuff" typically spreaden by guys who d

[Zope] Zope2 - pro/contra

2015-03-04 Thread Sebastian Tänzer
Hello ZOPE community, we're still developing websites using Zope2 + ZMS3 (www.zms-publishing.com) for years now and never ran into any real problems (compared to, let's say, Wordpress, typo3, Drupal etc. which had serious security problems over the years) and our clients are quite happy with ZM