Re: [Zope] Access Control vs Publishing Protoco

2000-10-17 Thread Chris Withers
Dieter Maurer wrote: > My primary concern (and maybe Chris') is, how can we prevent > these objects to be viewed by Anonymous. Yup, that's exactly my point... cheers, Chris ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinf

Re: [Zope] Access Control vs Publishing Protoco

2000-10-17 Thread Chris Withers
Dieter Maurer wrote: > Management, however, would be more difficult, as there are no > good defaults for the "URL Traversable" permission. > It is not easy, to determine (e.g.) for a DTML method/document > whether it is only used as a component (such as > "standard_html_header") or is a full grown

Re: [Zope] Access Control vs Publishing Protoco

2000-10-17 Thread Chris Withers
Seb Bacon wrote: > edit a document through webDAV but *not* TTW. In my mind, you're either > authenticated to do a task, or you're not. It doesn't matter *how* you do > it. That's why 'listable' or something like it would be a better name for > the permission than 'URL Traversable', IMHO (altho

RE: [Zope] Access Control vs Publishing Protoco

2000-10-13 Thread Dieter Maurer
Seb Bacon writes: > OK, I think we're talking about the same thing now...but could you give me > an example of any object that would need to be traversable by Anonymous? > index_html, for example, doesn't need to be traversable (I still prefer > 'listable'). Viewable TTW, yes, but that's all

RE: [Zope] Access Control vs Publishing Protoco

2000-10-13 Thread Seb Bacon
Oh dear, I fear that this is going round and round and round in circles a bit, and that no-one else is following it, but here goes anyway :> > The "traversable" permission would be an additional requirement > to view any object. Its main purpose would be to distinguish > between "use via Web" and

RE: [Zope] Access Control vs Publishing Protoco

2000-10-12 Thread Dieter Maurer
Seb Bacon writes: > > > Currently, Zope tries to have very few explicit, object specific > > permissions. The ideal is that permissions are specified high above in > > the hierarchy and acquired by lower objects. > > This is quite possible with the current scheme. > > Implementing an "U

RE: [Zope] Access Control vs Publishing Protoco

2000-10-12 Thread Seb Bacon
oops, I forgot to foward my last mail on this subject to the list. My response here to Dieter's response captures contains the main points though... > > > I think, the implementation would be easy. > > > Management, however, would be more difficult, as there are no > > > good defaults for th

RE: [Zope] Access Control vs Publishing Protoco

2000-10-10 Thread Dieter Maurer
Seb Bacon writes: > For me, the 'visibility' problem is a real bugbear. Apart from the > 'security' issue of anon. users being able to list objectIds, it means I am > loathe to allow clients to manage their sites through the manage interface. > This is because they'll see it littered with met

RE: [Zope] Access Control vs Publishing Protoco

2000-10-10 Thread Seb Bacon
> > This is because the thing which makes > > the problem hard is that something like standard_html_header > wants to be > > editable by Managers TTW, which means it also has to be visible TTW. > > However, it's probably not something you want exposed to anonymous > > users, especially a