[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-20 Thread Martin Aspeli
Hi, The following checkin on the 1.6 branch, which looks like a pure cleanup item, completely breaks Plone 2.1 and up on CMF 1.6. I assume that was not the intention. http://svn.zope.org/CMF/branches/1.6/CMFCore/TypesTool.py? rev=40364&r1=40360&r2=40364 Do you know how it breaks Plone, e

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-20 Thread yuppie
Hi Jens! Jens Vagelpohl wrote: The following checkin on the 1.6 branch, which looks like a pure cleanup item, completely breaks Plone 2.1 and up on CMF 1.6. I assume that was not the intention. http://svn.zope.org/CMF/branches/1.6/CMFCore/TypesTool.py?rev=40364&r1=40360&r2=40364 I'm in t

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-20 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 20 Dec 2005, at 19:53, yuppie wrote: The intention was to make things consistent. CMF 1.5 and CMF 2.0 have different ways to register custom type info classes. Before that change both machineries were broken on the 1.6 branch because they were merged in an insane way. I fixed the new m

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-20 Thread Rob Miller
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 20 Dec 2005, at 19:53, yuppie wrote: The intention was to make things consistent. CMF 1.5 and CMF 2.0 have different ways to register custom type info classes. Before that change both machineries were broken on the 1.6 branch because they were merged in an insane

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-20 Thread yuppie
Hi Rob! Hi Jens! Rob Miller wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 20 Dec 2005, at 19:53, yuppie wrote: The intention was to make things consistent. CMF 1.5 and CMF 2.0 have different ways to register custom type info classes. Before that change both machineries were broken on the 1.6 branch be

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-20 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 20 Dec 2005, at 21:56, yuppie wrote: yes, i believe the agreement was to try to keep 1.6 as close to 1.5 as possible, with the exception of GenericSetup. the types stuff is the greyest area, however, because the changes in the way TypeInfo objects are handled btn 1.5 and 2.0 has a consi

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-20 Thread yuppie
Hi! Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 20 Dec 2005, at 21:56, yuppie wrote: I really don't care much about how this is resolved. But from Rob's checkins and the discussion following this mail http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2005-November/023399.html I had the impression that CMF 1.6 should p

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-20 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 20 Dec 2005, at 23:32, yuppie wrote: After reading the thread you mention, which isn't all that clear when it comes to outlining what the consequences of some of these code changes are, I'm confused. I think I can boil it down to one question: What is the use of the CMF 1.6 branch if it

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-20 Thread Martin Aspeli
Unless someone fixes that CMFDynamicsomethingFTI thing (or the CMF 1.6 branch) people cannot even attempt to run Plone 2.1 or 2.2 against CMF 1.6. This is like a stalemate. Can you suggest how to add a new kind of factory information class similar to appending it to that typeClasses struc

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-20 Thread Alexander Limi
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:32:02 +0100, yuppie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: AFAICT the original target audience were people that want to switch to Plone 2.2 and reuse Products written for 2.1. Just a terminology correction here, the next version of Plone is 2.5, not 2.2 - we changed our version

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-21 Thread Florent Guillaume
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 20 Dec 2005, at 23:32, yuppie wrote: After reading the thread you mention, which isn't all that clear when it comes to outlining what the consequences of some of these code changes are, I'm confused. I think I can boil it down to one question: What is the use of t

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-21 Thread Raphael Ritz
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: [..] Thanks a lot Florent, I assume Martin can go off and do his magic with that description. Just a note in passing to those of us that are more on the CMF-users than developers side: Starting to look into this myself I just wasted a couple of minutes because of my outd

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-21 Thread Rocky Burt
Well now I'm *completely* confused. - Rocky Alexander Limi wrote: > On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:32:02 +0100, yuppie > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> AFAICT the original target audience were people that want to switch >> to Plone 2.2 and reuse Products written for 2.1. > > > Just a terminolog

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-21 Thread Rocky Burt
Raphael Ritz wrote: > Looking at INSTALL.txt from the CMF-1.6 bundle I found > > Requirements > > - Zope 2.8.1 or later > ... > > so I thought I'm on the safe side but digging deeper one > actually sees in GenericSetup.DEPENDENCIES.txt: > > Zope >= 2.8.5 > Five >= 1.2 > > So I got a Zo

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-21 Thread yuppie
Florent Guillaume wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: Unless someone fixes that CMFDynamicsomethingFTI thing (or the CMF 1.6 branch) people cannot even attempt to run Plone 2.1 or 2.2 against CMF 1.6. This is like a stalemate. Can you suggest how to add a new kind of factory information class si

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-21 Thread Florent Guillaume
Rocky Burt wrote: Raphael Ritz wrote: Looking at INSTALL.txt from the CMF-1.6 bundle I found Requirements - Zope 2.8.1 or later ... so I thought I'm on the safe side but digging deeper one actually sees in GenericSetup.DEPENDENCIES.txt: Zope >= 2.8.5 Five >= 1.2 So I got a Zope-2.8.5-

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-21 Thread Rob Miller
apologies in advance for not engaging this conversation as deeply as i'd like to... i'm under the gun to get something done before leaving tomorrow for a brief holiday, back on the 29th. Jens Vagelpohl wrote: I don't quite understand the distinction between "compatible with products written f

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-22 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jens Vagelpohl wrote: > > On 22 Dec 2005, at 03:10, Rob Miller wrote: > >> Jens Vagelpohl wrote: >> >>> I don't quite understand the distinction between "compatible with >>> products written for Plone 2.1 but not with Plone 2.1", I can't see >>>

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-22 Thread Martin Aspeli
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: I think this brings up the need for a slightly more formalized planning and release process. Given the requisite backing by at least the main developers (meaning their agreement that they would actually use such a thing) I'd like to set up a release plan page on zope.org

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-23 Thread Alexander Limi
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:29:09 +0100, Rocky Burt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just a terminology correction here, the next version of Plone is 2.5, not 2.2 - we changed our version policy a while back: Well now I'm *completely* confused. s/Plone 2.2/Plone 2.5/g Better? ;) -- __

[Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-23 Thread Alexander Limi
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 04:10:30 +0100, Rob Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: it would be great if Plone 2.1.X could work w/ CMF 1.6, but it is not absolutely necessary. In general, we consider Plone tied to one particular CMF version (which is also why we ship with a particular version of th

Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-20 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 20 Dec 2005, at 13:10, Martin Aspeli wrote: Hi, The following checkin on the 1.6 branch, which looks like a pure cleanup item, completely breaks Plone 2.1 and up on CMF 1.6. I assume that was not the intention. http://svn.zope.org/CMF/branches/1.6/CMFCore/TypesTool.py? rev=40364&r1=4

Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-21 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 21 Dec 2005, at 11:14, Florent Guillaume wrote: Unless someone fixes that CMFDynamicsomethingFTI thing (or the CMF 1.6 branch) people cannot even attempt to run Plone 2.1 or 2.2 against CMF 1.6. This is like a stalemate. Can you suggest how to add a new kind of factory information cla

Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-21 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 21 Dec 2005, at 12:06, Raphael Ritz wrote: Starting to look into this myself I just wasted a couple of minutes because of my outdated setup (I had a plain Zope-2.8.4-final release) Looking at INSTALL.txt from the CMF-1.6 bundle I found Requirements - Zope 2.8.1 or later ... so I t

Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-22 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 22 Dec 2005, at 03:10, Rob Miller wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: I don't quite understand the distinction between "compatible with products written for Plone 2.1 but not with Plone 2.1", I can't see any sense in that route... it all comes back to one question: What is the goal for the

Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: CMF 1.6 change broke Plone compatibility

2005-12-23 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 22 Dec 2005, at 17:09, Martin Aspeli wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: I think this brings up the need for a slightly more formalized planning and release process. Given the requisite backing by at least the main developers (meaning their agreement that they would actually use such a thi