Re: [Zope-dev] Re: death to index_html; ObjectManager?

2002-04-17 Thread Toby Dickenson
On Tuesday 16 Apr 2002 10:25 pm, Casey Duncan wrote: >However, you should know that the crux of this change is really to the >publisher, the mixin is just the management piece. Hmmm. Thanks for raising this. I wasnt aware that these browser_default changes went so deep. Im curious as to *why*

[Zope-dev] Re: 2.3.3 -> 2.5.1b2 upgrade problem

2002-04-17 Thread Simon Michael
"R. David Murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Probably, but I naively imagined that I was sophisticated enough > to be finding a "real" problem...but I'm obviously not smart enough > to realize that a breakage this fundamental could be due to a package > like ZDebug. I wasn't either.. I think t

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: 2.3.3 -> 2.5.1b2 upgrade problem

2002-04-17 Thread Matt Behrens
Simon Michael wrote: > "R. David Murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>Probably, but I naively imagined that I was sophisticated enough >>to be finding a "real" problem...but I'm obviously not smart enough >>to realize that a breakage this fundamental could be due to a package >>like ZDebug. >

RE: [Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-17 Thread Stefan H. Holek
At 17.04.2002 10:57 -0400, Brian Lloyd wrote: > >From the Zen of Python: "Explicit is better than implicit". > >We've been trying hard to adopt this bit of Zen. If you write >REQUEST.set, you can look at it and easily see what is happening. >Same with SESSION.set. > >If you're looking at as a ne

[Zope-dev] DISCUSS: Enhanced MailHost (was: Speaking of 2.6...)

2002-04-17 Thread Brian Lloyd
(FYI - I'm changing subject lines to separate the many threads that are going on now...) > just to give some feedback and ask for guidance with the further > process. My college, Nils Kassube, has implemented the proposed > features, regarding an enhanced MailHost, namely the usage of > timeout

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: 2.3.3 -> 2.5.1b2 upgrade problem

2002-04-17 Thread Shane Hathaway
Simon Michael wrote: > "R. David Murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>Probably, but I naively imagined that I was sophisticated enough >>to be finding a "real" problem...but I'm obviously not smart enough >>to realize that a breakage this fundamental could be due to a package >>like ZDebug. >

RE: [Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-17 Thread Dan L. Pierson
--On Wednesday, April 17, 2002 11:48:12 AM -0400 Brian Lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We've already learned the hard way that the existing SiteRoots > and VirtualHostMonsters etc. confuse people. This is partly due > to under-documentation, but it is also partly because of the > "here, we'

Re: [Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-17 Thread Chris Withers
Lennart Regebro wrote: > > Yup. Therefore I think that the host monster shouldn't be included. VHF > should supercede it. > > If backwards compatibility is desired, add warning messages for usage and > remove the VHM from the add box, but continue to include it in the code. :-) Just as a passin

[Zope-dev] Need to instantiate zclass in location other than current

2002-04-17 Thread Max Slimmer
I have created a zclass and want to create a new instance of this class and have it be child of some other know object in the tree. Given that we know the path (url) to the new prospective parent how do we do this. A second question. I need to manage lists of these zobjects within other instances

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: 2.3.3 -> 2.5.1b2 upgrade problem

2002-04-17 Thread Chris Withers
Shane Hathaway wrote: > > I've been putting in code for Zope 2.6 that replaces the functionality > of ZDebug. ZDebug was always woefully unsafe. Zope 2.6 will have > improved tracebacks. Does that mean we can turn them off when we don't want them and there's no more of that damn awful appendin

Re: [Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-17 Thread Jeffrey P Shell
On 4/17/02 9:56 AM, "Gary Poster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 17 April 2002 11:48 am, Brian Lloyd wrote: > >> Ok :) As far as "vetting" virtual host folder, my concerns >> boil down to: >> >> a. dependency / requirement for ordered folder >> >> b. having yet another virtual h

Re: [Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-17 Thread Anthony Baxter
>>> "Brian Lloyd" wrote > We've been trying hard to adopt this bit of Zen. If you write > REQUEST.set, you can look at it and easily see what is happening. > Same with SESSION.set. The other reason why I made SESSION all shouty-caps in SQLSession[*] is to make it _very_ obvious when it's bein

Re: [Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-17 Thread Anthony Baxter
>>> Toby Dickenson wrote > Do you remember what we had to type to achieve the equivalent of > dtml-let, before dtml-let was introduced? That *was* horrible. gee, I dunno... has a sort of charm to it. sheesh, it's still not as ugly as ZPT. deliberately-trolling-for-ChrisW-ly yrs, Anthony --

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: 2.3.3 -> 2.5.1b2 upgrade problem

2002-04-17 Thread Shane Hathaway
On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Chris Withers wrote: > Shane Hathaway wrote: > > > > I've been putting in code for Zope 2.6 that replaces the functionality > > of ZDebug. ZDebug was always woefully unsafe. Zope 2.6 will have > > improved tracebacks. > > Does that mean we can turn them off when we don't wa

Re: [Zope-dev] how bad are per-request-write-transactions

2002-04-17 Thread Chris McDonough
> That's only if you do it as a property. It doesn't have to be done that > way. Shane and I discussed a counter that existed as a central > datastructure. Objects that were being counted would simply have > methods to increment the count and display the count. FWIW, this already mostly exists

Re: [Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-17 Thread Evan Simpson
Lennart Regebro wrote: > There is an alternative, and that is to clean up the enhanced > enhanced virtual host monster we at Torped have done. It's based on > sfm@imemes enhanced VHM and just like VHF is makes it possible to > have standalone virtual hosting without strange apache magic. We >

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: 2.3.3 -> 2.5.1b2 upgrade problem

2002-04-17 Thread Chris Withers
Shane Hathaway wrote: > > http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/BetterTracebacks > > All the work described (besides the documentation and Dieter's suggestion > of adding error_tb to the default standard_error_message) is checked into > the trunk. No more invalid HTML. :-) Well, it's onl

Re: [Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-17 Thread Chris Withers
Anthony Baxter wrote: > > deliberately-trolling-for-ChrisW-ly yrs, :-P Chris - stay in the stone age, I hear they have fire there ;-) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or H

Re: [Zope-dev] Undoability on a per-object basis

2002-04-17 Thread Chris Withers
Chris McDonough wrote: > > It would be best to make make a dual-mode undoing and nonundoing storage on > a per-object basis. ...if anyone achieves this, I will have plenty of beer to send to them. Chris - please, pretty please :-) ___ Zope-Dev maill

Re: [Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-17 Thread Anthony Baxter
> Chris - stay in the stone age, I hear they have fire there ;-) mmm. fre pretty. "Page Templates burn, don't dey. Be a shame if somefing was to happen to your nice shiny website". Anthony, who might have been spending too long in the bad places of SQL.

Re: [Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-17 Thread Chris Withers
Anthony Baxter wrote: > > Anthony, who might have been spending too long in the bad places of SQL. Maybe getting hooked back on the PHP too? I saw ya, that dodgy bloke in the street, money changing hands... *grinz* Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [