Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO cache instrumentation -- any takers?

2002-10-03 Thread Chris McDonough
> except ReadConflictError: > raise Or even better (since ReadConflictError inherits from ConflictError): except ConflictError: raise What would be nice is a way to define in Python a kind of exception that is not caught by bare "except:" statements but only by "except SpecificClass:" s

Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO cache instrumentation -- any takers?

2002-10-03 Thread Casey Duncan
As much as I try to avoid them (especially in Zope code), they are sometimes necessary because you simply don't know what exceptions might be raised from inside Python or the standard libs. Besides, even if you stamped it out people will just use: try: ... except Exception: Besides, somet

Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO cache instrumentation -- any takers?

2002-10-03 Thread Guido van Rossum
> PS: Hey, Guido, any chance of deprecating exceptionless 'exception:' > clauses anytime soon? We got a bunch of those making our life harder > on Zope :-) No chance for backwards compatibility, but I try to stamp them out whenever I see them. Submit a tracker issue about the ones that particula

Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO cache instrumentation -- any takers?

2002-10-03 Thread Leonardo Rochael Almeida
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 01:11, Jeremy Hylton wrote: > > "LRA" == Leonardo Rochael Almeida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > LRA> The last two installations belong to the same client, and are > LRA> both experiencing a problem that I believe is related to ZEO > LRA> latency. Both sites depen

[Zope-dev] Re: Plone/Metadata/FUD

2002-10-03 Thread Simon Michael
Paul Everitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > +1 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce

[Zope-dev] Compiling on Mac OS X 10.2

2002-10-03 Thread Aparajita Fishman
Hi all, For the benefit of all Jaguar (10.2) users, here is the complete steps I followed to compile and install readline 4.3, postgres 7.2.2, mxDateTime 2.0.4 and psycopg 1.0.12. All were compiled from the source tarballs available from the respective web sites. Preliminary steps

Re: [Zope-dev] Integrating ZEO with Zope 2.7

2002-10-03 Thread Guido van Rossum
> IMHO, Zope releases should, in this scenario, be configured by default to > use a custom_zodb.py file with ClientStorage over a socket at startup, > making the default config of Zope one that uses ZEO. Also, start scripts > should be distributed with options to support both the following: >

Re: [Zope-dev] Integrating ZEO with Zope 2.7

2002-10-03 Thread Guido van Rossum
> Great idea, but this could also be a chance to fix the windows z2.py > thang and the installer ;) Maybe, but I have no expertise in this area. > As long as standalone Zope without ZEO would still be a startup > option, Im sure there are more things out there like the Plone > Controller that mi

Re: [Zope-dev] I smell commercial interest: PLOPE

2002-10-03 Thread Andy McKay
Please don't post in HTML. Oh wait you're a bot / script. We thought Plop was a better name that Plope btw ;) -- Andy McKay www.agmweb.ca - Original Message - From: "Diogenese Teufelsdrockh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 10:33 AM Subjec

[Zope-dev] I smell commercial interest: PLOPE

2002-10-03 Thread Diogenese Teufelsdrockh
I agree with you James.  To anyone who considers the plausibility of Zope and Plone merging; consider these facts: As they look over the world's painful panorama of war and terror, some people conclude that it is too late, that no amount of information or activity could possibly break the mold and

Re: [Zope-dev] Plone/Metadata/FUD

2002-10-03 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! I could comment for hours on the postings in this thread (after rereading what I've just written below I actually did ;-)). But let me just take this to say what is most important to me: > In the world of Zope 3, this distinction will be even more clear. Zope > 2 unfortunately tried too muc

Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO cache instrumentation -- any takers?

2002-10-03 Thread Guido van Rossum
> Guido van Rossum wrote: > > A while ago I announced a new ZEO cache instrumentation feature, and > > asked if anyone was interested in enabling this instrumentation in > > their site. I got exactly zero responses... :-( > > Hmmm... people might have done it and not let you know. Are you > look

Re: [Zope-dev] 2.6 hang problem

2002-10-03 Thread Chris Withers
Toby Dickenson wrote: > >>Yesterday, it appears this site died during a ZCatalog update as the last >>entry in Z2.log was for the advanced catalog management form. However, >>there was no entry for the actual re-catalog. > > That makes sense - Z2.log entries are made once the method has complete

Re: [Zope-dev] ZEO cache instrumentation -- any takers?

2002-10-03 Thread Chris Withers
Guido van Rossum wrote: > A while ago I announced a new ZEO cache instrumentation feature, and > asked if anyone was interested in enabling this instrumentation in > their site. I got exactly zero responses... :-( Hmmm... people might have done it and not let you know. Are you looking to get th

Re: [Zope-dev] Zopezen.org is slower! Should time be spent on Ploneor ZPT speed?

2002-10-03 Thread Chris Withers
James Johnson wrote: > might understand my meaning. Zope-->is to MTV and Plone --> is to VH1. > Squishdot--> is to CMT. I just realised that CMT stands for Country Music Television :-( What are you trying to say?! ;-) Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist

Re: [Zope-dev] Plone/Metadata/FUD

2002-10-03 Thread Steve Alexander
> My only response is why wasn't " Many of the components and frameworks > currently supplied by the CMF" included in the core Zope in the first > place? Everybody has the right to work on their own thing sure. We > would already have a highly extensible Zope3 by now if the time wasn't > s

Re: [Zope-dev] Plone/Metadata/FUD

2002-10-03 Thread James Johnson
>From: Max M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Paul Everitt wrote: >> >>...this. How can we listen to you if you're not participating? But to >>your point: the Zope community does not want, IMO, Zope and CMF merged. >>Content management is a piece of the Zope pie, not the whole pie. > > >And sooo righ

Re: [Zope-dev] Zopezen.org is slower! Should time be spent on Plone or ZPTspeed?

2002-10-03 Thread James Johnson
I know I thought about that for a minute, but I believe MTV was well established when they came out with VH1. But seeing that Zope is not the first app server on the market, it's like that first one I've used. I know its a good thing to see all of these alternate frameworks and/or products

Re: [Zope-dev] Zopezen.org is slower! Should time be spent on Plone or ZPTspeed?

2002-10-03 Thread James Johnson
>From: Paul Everitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I agree with Andy. Zope is a tool. Things like Silva and Plone are >products. The purpose of Zope is to allow people to build things like >Silva or Plone, or things quite different (perhaps custom to their own >needs) quickly. > >And frankly, too

Re: [Zope-dev] Plone/Metadata/FUD

2002-10-03 Thread Max M
Paul Everitt wrote: > > ...this. How can we listen to you if you're not participating? But to > your point: the Zope community does not want, IMO, Zope and CMF merged. > Content management is a piece of the Zope pie, not the whole pie. And sooo right you are. If Zope became the CMF or Plon

Re: [Zope-dev] Zopezen.org is slower! Should time be spent on Plone or ZPT speed?

2002-10-03 Thread Paul Everitt
On Thursday, Oct 3, 2002, at 10:51 Europe/Paris, James Johnson wrote: > Please don't get me wrong, products like squishdot, CMFZen, and > others have steered me towards Zope. They are fine examples of the > things that make Zope appealing. But if you really think about what > I'm saying yo

Re: [Zope-dev] Zopezen.org is slower! Should time be spent on Plone or ZPTspeed?

2002-10-03 Thread James Johnson
> > But with some good people switching channels, > > will Zope still end up a major player in the market? > >Unfortunately from my forays into the non-Zope (or Plone) into the CMS >market I dont think Zope is anywhere near a major player. I just don't >understand why working on Plone is consider

Re: [Zope-dev] Zopezen.org is slower! Should time be spent on Plone or ZPT speed?

2002-10-03 Thread Paul Everitt
On Thursday, Oct 3, 2002, at 07:14 Europe/Paris, Andy McKay wrote: > >>I smell commecial interest here. I smell people trying to make >> that > one >> killer project hoping to make it big, instead of centering around the >> one >> vehicle that will help make a bunch of projects big someday

Re: [Zope-dev] Plone/Metadata/FUD

2002-10-03 Thread Paul Everitt
On Thursday, Oct 3, 2002, at 03:54 Europe/Paris, James Johnson wrote: > I've been around the Zope/Python scene for many years. One thing I > see this group suffer I believe if from the groupthink mentality. > Imho Alexander Limi "2 cents worth" demonstrated Erik's point > perfectly. appla