Re: [Zope-dev] Re: DateTime mess

2005-11-30 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 11/30/05, Jens Vagelpohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +1 on a dedicated migration step. Might even be a chance for some > other cleanups. So the process would be something like: 1. Make a FrankenDateTime that uses the pickles of the DateTime, but the methods of datetime. 2. Make a zope.datetim

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: DateTime mess

2005-11-30 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 30 Nov 2005, at 08:20, Lennart Regebro wrote: On 11/30/05, Jens Vagelpohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: +1 on a dedicated migration step. Might even be a chance for some other cleanups. So the process would be something like: 1. Make a FrankenDateTime that uses the pickles of the DateTime,

[Zope-dev] Re: Python2.4 Security Audit ETA???

2005-11-30 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Andreas Jung wrote: > > > --On 29. November 2005 15:13:45 +0100 Florent Guillaume <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> The security audit already happened, and led to checkins by Jim on >> October 26 that preceded the release of Zope 2.8.4. >> >> Zope 2.8.4 is safe to use with python 2.4. > > > L

[Zope-dev] DateTime iso8601 bad handling of dates

2005-11-30 Thread Evan Simpson
This has been brought up and (rather cavalierly) dismissed before. I challenge anyone to justify the following DateTime behavior: >>> DateTime('2005-01-01').strftime('%Y-%m-%d') '2004-12-31' DateTimes are actually timestamps, and the current implementation assumes that a date in ISO8601 format w

[Zope-dev] zope.conf extensibility

2005-11-30 Thread Sidnei da Silva
This might be the third time I hit this issue, and I've always given up before. I hope this is the last time. I have some product that would greatly benefit from being able to be configured from within zope.conf. I don't want a separate configuration file. Period. Why? Apache doesn't have separat

Re: [Zope-dev] Folderish or SimpleItem object types for structural content

2005-11-30 Thread Dieter Maurer
Martijn Jacobs wrote at 2005-11-29 22:09 +0100: > ... >That will be true, but I was wondering where to draw the line, for >example with perfomance issues. All the objects will be in a ZCatalog, >to allow searching for example. But one 'ObjectManager' step less in the >choice what to do with the

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.conf extensibility

2005-11-30 Thread Fred Drake
On 11/30/05, Sidnei da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have some product that would greatly benefit from being able to be > configured from within zope.conf. I don't want a separate > configuration file. Period. Tres Seaver and I implemented this during the Goldegg sprint in Fredericksburg, w

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.conf extensibility

2005-11-30 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 03:55:22PM -0500, Fred Drake wrote: | On 11/30/05, Sidnei da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > I have some product that would greatly benefit from being able to be | > configured from within zope.conf. I don't want a separate | > configuration file. Period. | | Tres Seav

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.conf extensibility

2005-11-30 Thread Fred Drake
On 11/30/05, Sidnei da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I haven't seen this being checked in at all, maybe it's in Tres > laptop? These were committed to the trunk before the 2.9 branch was created: r39652 | tseaver | 2005

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.conf extensibility

2005-11-30 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 04:27:11PM -0500, Fred Drake wrote: | On 11/30/05, Sidnei da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > I haven't seen this being checked in at all, maybe it's in Tres | > laptop? | | These were committed to the trunk before the 2.9 branch was created: | | --

Re: [Zope-dev] Folderish or SimpleItem object types for structural content

2005-11-30 Thread Martijn Jacobs
Hello Dieter. This must be a funny classification scheme... Well, I wanted to have the discussion to be general about this thing because I can imagine that this issue has been some point of discussion before, among others, but I will be more specific to explain : - The structure will have

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source code repository

2005-11-30 Thread Chris Withers
Martin Aspeli wrote: ... and I'm one of those developers. I care, for the moment, about one thing: Plone. I want Plone to move to use more Zope 3 technology, sure, because it's clearly superior. But we're not going to re-write it from scratch, and neither, I suspect, will most large Z2 appli

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source code repository

2005-11-30 Thread Chris Withers
Stephan Richter wrote: On Thursday 24 November 2005 09:17, Jim Fulton wrote: Now (well, after the December release :), I think it's time to revisit what the core of Zope 3 is and how we manage the repository. There has been a trend to manage important components separately and link them in. I

Re: [Zope-dev] RE: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source coderepository

2005-11-30 Thread Chris Withers
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Bottom line: I find the risk of your having to dig through horrible Zope 2 code much lower than the chance of joint efforts on Zope 3 technology. Of course, it'd be quite surprising if I didn't believe that as the author of the proposal *wink*. I agree with t

[Zope-dev] common datetime

2005-11-30 Thread Chris Withers
Alexander Limi wrote: Can I add "use a common datetime implementation"? ;) Philipp is already working on this :-) (and I'm keen to help out too, if there's a sane way for me to do so...) cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simpli

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source code repository

2005-11-30 Thread Chris Withers
Gary Poster wrote: Zope 2 depends on Zope 3, via Five. Zope 3 does not depend on Zope 2. A very good point, but one which makes me feel that Zope 2 shouldn't be merged in with Zope 3 ;-) Put differently, if we're merging in Zope 2 into the repository, then why not SchoolTool, or any of the

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source coderepository

2005-11-30 Thread Chris Withers
Lennart Regebro wrote: I think this change can possibly make sense when we have replaced Zope 2 authentication with Zope 3s, and when we have replaces Zope 2 publisher with Zope 3s and when we have replaced the Zope 2 traversal with Zope3s, and maybe a couple of other things. At that point, Zope

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source coderepository

2005-11-30 Thread Chris Withers
Stephan Richter wrote: * We have been constantly trying to make the trunk smaller, and suddenly we blow it up? This does not fit. In fact, I would claim that zwiki and bugtracker should now be moved out of the trunk and placed into top-level dirs themselves. They should be tested using the buil

[Zope-dev] Re: DateTime mess

2005-11-30 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Tres Seaver wrote: > >>Frankly, anything which attempts to "fix pickles" in-place smells bad to > >>me. "Dump and reload" is how the RDBMS world handles this kind of > >>problem, and it isn't because they don't have smart folks working on them. > > > > You're right, as nice as generations might be