Re: Fat vs Greasy (Was: [Zope-dev] Re: Future of ZClasses)

2006-10-09 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 10/9/06, Jean-Marc Orliaguet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's basically what I wrote the other day (The Times... ) : as an application designer you want a *plugin architecture* with greasy fat components, not an architecture with hundreds of micro-components wired together like this: http://j

[Zope-dev] Re: Future of ZClasses

2006-10-09 Thread Dieter Maurer
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote at 2006-10-9 19:59 +0200: > ... >Sure, you CAN try to >reuse stuff (and I know some of your tools, e.g. rebindFunction et.al. >from ReuseUtils), but most of these revolve more around implementation >details than around well-defined APIs and responsibilities. This

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Future of ZClasses

2006-10-09 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2006-10-9 19:24 +0200: > ... >We have some code where some classes have up to 15(!) base classes (usually >mixin classes), not counting classes inherited from the mix-in classes. I >would call that unmanageable. Each of these classes represent a mixed in feature. You get 15

Re: Fat vs Greasy (Was: [Zope-dev] Re: Future of ZClasses)

2006-10-09 Thread Jean-Marc Orliaguet
Lennart Regebro wrote: On 10/9/06, Dieter Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote at 2006-10-7 23:51 +0200: > ... >> I find that the introduction of classes with (multiple) inheritance >> has been very economic. It was another concept but a highly fruitful >> one, despi

[Zope-dev] Re: Future of ZClasses

2006-10-09 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Dieter Maurer wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote at 2006-10-7 23:51 +0200: ... I find that the introduction of classes with (multiple) inheritance has been very economic. It was another concept but a highly fruitful one, despite the fact that they are not so liked in Zope3 land. I think "fa

Fat vs Greasy (Was: [Zope-dev] Re: Future of ZClasses)

2006-10-09 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 10/9/06, Dieter Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote at 2006-10-7 23:51 +0200: > ... >> I find that the introduction of classes with (multiple) inheritance >> has been very economic. It was another concept but a highly fruitful >> one, despite the fact that they ar

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Future of ZClasses

2006-10-09 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 9. Oktober 2006 19:11:55 +0200 Dieter Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would not recommend anyone to over-use multiple inheritance as it's been done in Zope 2. I am a strong favorite of (multiple) inheritance and use it excessively. I have the feeling that it makes me very producti

[Zope-dev] Re: Future of ZClasses

2006-10-09 Thread Dieter Maurer
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote at 2006-10-7 23:51 +0200: > ... >> I find that the introduction of classes with (multiple) inheritance >> has been very economic. It was another concept but a highly fruitful >> one, despite the fact that they are not so liked in Zope3 land. > >I think "fat" objects

Re: [Zope-dev] Maintainer of Zope 2 Windows builds?

2006-10-09 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 12:19:22PM -0400, Tim Peters wrote: | You (ZC, ZF, the community) want someone who /uses/ Zope on Windows to make | Windows releases. It was at best half nuts that I kept doing it after | building & testing an installer once each N weeks became my only contact | with Zope.

RE: [Zope-dev] Maintainer of Zope 2 Windows builds?

2006-10-09 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 9. Oktober 2006 12:19:22 -0400 Tim Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Don't know about "should be", but it /is/ related ;-) I had job-related reasons before to make at least minimal ongoing efforts toward keeping the Zope test suites happy on Windows, and that in turn meant I kept many fu

Re: [Zope-dev] Maintainer of Zope 2 Windows builds?

2006-10-09 Thread Tim Peters
[Andreas Jung] Who is currently in charge or who feels responsible for the Windows builds? [Sidnei da Silva] Tim Peters. [Chris Withers] Er, no. Tim isn't even at Zope Corp anymore, as far as I know... [Sidnei] That shouldn't be related, should it? Don't know about "should be", but it

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving ZopeVersionControl to subversion?

2006-10-09 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6 Oct 2006, at 18:55, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 6 Oct 2006, at 17:38, Wichert Akkerman wrote: I noticed that ZopeVersionControl is still actively maintained in CVS. Would its maintainers mind moving it to subversion? That would make it a lot

Re: [Zope-dev] Maintainer of Zope 2 Windows builds?

2006-10-09 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 03:25:55PM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: | Sidnei da Silva wrote: | >On Sat, Oct 07, 2006 at 09:25:29AM +0200, Andreas Jung wrote: | >| Who is currently in charge or who feels responsible for the Windows | >builds? | > | >Tim Peters. | | Er, no. Tim isn't even at Zope Corp a

[Zope-dev] Re: Moving ZopeVersionControl to subversion?

2006-10-09 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Miles Waller wrote: >> >> I noticed that Tres was making changes in CVS and preparing a 0.3.2 >> release, so there is at least some activity. >> > > That was me ... I badgered Tres into incorporating a patch I'd put into > the tracker. Before that th

Re: [Zope-dev] Maintainer of Zope 2 Windows builds?

2006-10-09 Thread Chris Withers
Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Sat, Oct 07, 2006 at 09:25:29AM +0200, Andreas Jung wrote: | Who is currently in charge or who feels responsible for the Windows builds? Tim Peters. Er, no. Tim isn't even at Zope Corp anymore, as far as I know... I built the last couple of Zope 2.9.x release, but my

[Zope-dev] Re: Moving ZopeVersionControl to subversion?

2006-10-09 Thread Miles Waller
I noticed that Tres was making changes in CVS and preparing a 0.3.2 release, so there is at least some activity. That was me ... I badgered Tres into incorporating a patch I'd put into the tracker. Before that there was no activity. It definitely doesn't have a maintainer. There are clues

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