Re: [Zope-dev] opensp...@pycon 2009 about Zope/Repoze/Grok/Deliverence etc.

2009-02-10 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 01:19, Chris McDonough wrote: > Cool. > > FTR, some Pylons folks and some Repoze folks (including me) and maybe folks > from > some other WSGI/"MVC"-framework folks are likely to sprint on some convergence > tasks. > > I wonder if instead of having small "island" sprints w

Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.form 2.0

2009-02-10 Thread Wolfgang Schnerring
* Dan Korostelev [2009-02-09 19:08]: > Source support - Seems to work fine. I've checked that out in my > sandbox instance with zc.sourcefactory's context-less and > context-based sources. I'd very much like to put in a little bit of flexibility when looking up widgets for source-based fields: zo

Re: [Zope-dev] opensp...@pycon 2009 about Zope/Repoze/Grok/Deliverence etc.

2009-02-10 Thread Chris McDonough
Cool. FTR, some Pylons folks and some Repoze folks (including me) and maybe folks from some other WSGI/"MVC"-framework folks are likely to sprint on some convergence tasks. I wonder if instead of having small "island" sprints we should consider having one big "web frameworks" sprint and split int

Re: [Zope-dev] ZCML implementations: where should they go

2009-02-10 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jim Fulton wrote at 2009-2-10 14:01 -0500: > >On Feb 10, 2009, at 1:49 PM, Dieter Maurer wrote: > >> Jim Fulton wrote at 2009-2-8 13:00 -0500: >>> ... >>> IMO, introducing an extra is like introducing a new package and in a >>> rather complicated way. >> >> I agree with the first part of your sente

Re: [Zope-dev] opensp...@pycon 2009 about Zope/Repoze/Grok/Deliverence etc.

2009-02-10 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 15:46, Lennart Regebro wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 14:09, Baiju M wrote: >> It looks like this time there are few formalities to arrange a sprint: >> http://us.pycon.org/2009/sprints/call-for-projects/ > > Ah, OK. I'll set up a Zope Sprint wiki page then, so people ca

Re: [Zope-dev] ZCML implementations: where should they go

2009-02-10 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, So the general idea would be to remove the complication extras introduce in reasoning about packages. Extras can be removed in two ways: * carefully restructure dependency relationships between packages so that extras are no longer needed (typically for test extras this can be done) * extra

Re: [Zope-dev] ZCML implementations: where should they go

2009-02-10 Thread Jim Fulton
On Feb 10, 2009, at 1:49 PM, Dieter Maurer wrote: > Jim Fulton wrote at 2009-2-8 13:00 -0500: >> ... >> IMO, introducing an extra is like introducing a new package and in a >> rather complicated way. > > I agree with the first part of your sentence -- but cannot follow you > with the second part:

Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.form 2.0

2009-02-10 Thread Laurent Mignon
Daniel Nouri wrote: > Laurent Mignon writes: > >> Stephan Richter wrote: >>> On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Laurent Mignon wrote: With the replacement of zope.app.component import with zope.site, it's no more possible to use z3c.form with Zope2 / Plone :-( >>> Thanks for getting our atten

Re: [Zope-dev] ZCML implementations: where should they go

2009-02-10 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jim Fulton wrote at 2009-2-8 13:00 -0500: > ... >IMO, introducing an extra is like introducing a new package and in a >rather complicated way. I agree with the first part of your sentence -- but cannot follow you with the second part: How can "'extra' : " be more complicated than creating,

Re: [Zope-dev] ZCML implementations: where should they go

2009-02-10 Thread Shane Hathaway
Hanno Schlichting wrote: > Wichert Akkerman wrote: >> I'ld rather not see a whole slew of extra packagse appear. I also wonder >> how the extra number of packages and increasing size of sys.path >> influence performance and restrictions on environments like GAE. > > For environments like GAE you d

Re: [Zope-dev] ZCML implementations: where should they go

2009-02-10 Thread Dieter Maurer
Hanno Schlichting wrote at 2009-2-8 14:14 +0100: >Wichert Akkerman wrote: >> I'ld rather not see a whole slew of extra packagse appear. I also wonder >> how the extra number of packages and increasing size of sys.path >> influence performance and restrictions on environments like GAE. > >For enviro

Re: [Zope-dev] Translations for zope packages.

2009-02-10 Thread Paul Winkler
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 01:54:54PM +0100, Martijn Faassen wrote: > In my mind, the Zope framework should offer facilities to support > translating applications. These applications can be composed out of more > than a single package, and we want to support the translation memory > usecase for tha

Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.form 2.0

2009-02-10 Thread Daniel Nouri
Laurent Mignon writes: > Stephan Richter wrote: >> On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Laurent Mignon wrote: >>> With the replacement of zope.app.component import with zope.site, it's >>> no more possible to use z3c.form with Zope2 / Plone :-( >> >> Thanks for getting our attention on this. I consider

Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.form 2.0

2009-02-10 Thread Laurent Mignon
Stephan Richter wrote: > On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Laurent Mignon wrote: >> BUT I wonder if the way that z3c.form compute resource url stay >> compatible with zope2 >> >> from zope.site import hooks >> class ImageButtonAction(image.ImageWidget, ButtonAction): >> zope.component.adapts(interf

Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.form 2.0

2009-02-10 Thread Laurent Mignon
Stephan Richter wrote: > On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Laurent Mignon wrote: >> With the replacement of zope.app.component import with zope.site, it's >> no more possible to use z3c.form with Zope2 / Plone :-( > > Thanks for getting our attention on this. I consider this a show-stopper for > 2.0.

Re: [Zope-dev] opensp...@pycon 2009 about Zope/Repoze/Grok/Deliverence etc.

2009-02-10 Thread Stephan Richter
On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Jim Fulton wrote: > On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:03 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote: > > So, I propose to have an Open Space session at PyCon, Chicago, March > > 27-29 . > > Count me in. (I'll also be sprinting the first 2 sprint days.) Wow, lot's of people going. That makes me wan

Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.form 2.0

2009-02-10 Thread Stephan Richter
On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Laurent Mignon wrote: > BUT I wonder if the way that z3c.form compute resource url stay > compatible with zope2 > > from zope.site import hooks > class ImageButtonAction(image.ImageWidget, ButtonAction): >      zope.component.adapts(interfaces.IFormLayer, interfaces.IIm

Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.form 2.0

2009-02-10 Thread Stephan Richter
On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Laurent Mignon wrote: > With the replacement of zope.app.component import with zope.site, it's > no more possible to use z3c.form with Zope2 / Plone :-( Thanks for getting our attention on this. I consider this a show-stopper for 2.0. Dan, let's think about something

Re: [Zope-dev] opensp...@pycon 2009 about Zope/Repoze/Grok/Deliverence etc.

2009-02-10 Thread Jim Fulton
On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:03 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote: > So, I propose to have an Open Space session at PyCon, Chicago, March > 27-29 . Count me in. (I'll also be sprinting the first 2 sprint days.) Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maill

Re: [Zope-dev] opensp...@pycon 2009 about Zope/Repoze/Grok/Deliverence etc.

2009-02-10 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 14:09, Baiju M wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 13:32, Baiju M wrote: >>> Is there any plan for Zope sprint ? >> >> Nothing official yet, but I'm sure there will be sprinting done. There >> seems to be more Zope p

Re: [Zope-dev] opensp...@pycon 2009 about Zope/Repoze/Grok/Deliverence etc.

2009-02-10 Thread Baiju M
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 13:32, Baiju M wrote: >> Is there any plan for Zope sprint ? > > Nothing official yet, but I'm sure there will be sprinting done. There > seems to be more Zope people this year than last. There was talk about > havi

Re: [Zope-dev] Translations for zope packages.

2009-02-10 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, +1 for getting rid of zope.app.locales as a centralized point for translations. +1 also to have a way to *see* the translations as a single whole, with the possibility to define a message id that is used by many packages. I'm not sure I get all the details. One question is whether package

Re: [Zope-dev] opensp...@pycon 2009 about Zope/Repoze/Grok/Deliverence etc.

2009-02-10 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 13:32, Baiju M wrote: > I am also coming to PyCon this year :) Excellent! > Is there any plan for Zope sprint ? Nothing official yet, but I'm sure there will be sprinting done. There seems to be more Zope people this year than last. There was talk about having a security

Re: [Zope-dev] opensp...@pycon 2009 about Zope/Repoze/Grok/Deliverence etc.

2009-02-10 Thread Baiju M
I am also coming to PyCon this year :) Is there any plan for Zope sprint ? /me was never been outside India. Regards, Baiju M ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding

Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.form 2.0

2009-02-10 Thread Laurent Mignon
Dan Korostelev wrote: > 2009/2/10 Laurent Mignon : >> Dan Korostelev wrote: >>> 2009/2/10 Laurent Mignon : The problem encountered is that zope.container specify ZODB3 as a main dependency. After checking the code, it seems that ZODB is only required for tests. If I modify zope.conta

[Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 7 OK, 1 Failed

2009-02-10 Thread Zope Tests Summarizer
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Mon Feb 9 12:00:00 2009 UTC to Tue Feb 10 12:00:00 2009 UTC. There were 8 messages: 8 from Zope Tests. Test failures - Subject: FAILED (failures=1) : Zope-trunk-alltests Python-2.5.4 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Mon Feb 9 21:03:0

Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.form 2.0

2009-02-10 Thread Dan Korostelev
2009/2/10 Laurent Mignon : > Dan Korostelev wrote: >> 2009/2/10 Laurent Mignon : >>> The problem encountered is that zope.container specify ZODB3 as a main >>> dependency. After checking the code, it seems that ZODB is only required >>> for tests. If I modify zope.container.setup.py to specify ZODB

Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.form 2.0

2009-02-10 Thread Laurent Mignon
Dan Korostelev wrote: > 2009/2/10 Laurent Mignon : >> The problem encountered is that zope.container specify ZODB3 as a main >> dependency. After checking the code, it seems that ZODB is only required >> for tests. If I modify zope.container.setup.py to specify ZODB3 as an >> extra dependency for t

Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.form 2.0

2009-02-10 Thread Dan Korostelev
2009/2/10 Laurent Mignon : > The problem encountered is that zope.container specify ZODB3 as a main > dependency. After checking the code, it seems that ZODB is only required > for tests. If I modify zope.container.setup.py to specify ZODB3 as an > extra dependency for test target, everything works

Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.form 2.0

2009-02-10 Thread Laurent Mignon
Martin Aspeli wrote: > Laurent Mignon wrote: >> Hi, >> >> With the replacement of zope.app.component import with zope.site, it's >> no more possible to use z3c.form with Zope2 / Plone :-( >> >> In fact, zope.site require zope.container requiring ZODB3 :-( > > Why can't you put these eggs into you

Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.form 2.0

2009-02-10 Thread Laurent Mignon
Laurent Mignon wrote: > Hi, > > With the replacement of zope.app.component import with zope.site, it's > no more possible to use z3c.form with Zope2 / Plone :-( > > In fact, zope.site require zope.container requiring ZODB3 :-( > > I can't find any solutions to solve this problem. It is really d

Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.form 2.0

2009-02-10 Thread Martin Aspeli
Laurent Mignon wrote: > Hi, > > With the replacement of zope.app.component import with zope.site, it's > no more possible to use z3c.form with Zope2 / Plone :-( > > In fact, zope.site require zope.container requiring ZODB3 :-( Why can't you put these eggs into your Plone buildout? Are there ver

Re: [Zope-dev] opensp...@pycon 2009 about Zope/Repoze/Grok/Deliverence etc.

2009-02-10 Thread Lennart Regebro
Well, by now we definitely have enough people to have a fruitful discussion, so I feel happy to say that it definitely will happen. I created a PyCon wikipage if people want to add anything, with the suggested title "State of Zope", I hope that title is OK. http://us.pycon.org/2009/openspace/Stat

Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.form 2.0

2009-02-10 Thread Laurent Mignon
Hi, With the replacement of zope.app.component import with zope.site, it's no more possible to use z3c.form with Zope2 / Plone :-( In fact, zope.site require zope.container requiring ZODB3 :-( I can't find any solutions to solve this problem. It is really damage to lose the possibility of usin

Re: [Zope-dev] Translations for zope packages.

2009-02-10 Thread Dan Korostelev
2009/2/10 Adam GROSZER : > In short, a good translation is consistent. > That means the same sentences are translated to the same foreign > sentence. A so-called translation memory is used for that. > Also terms (specific words or expressions of the domain) are > translated to the same foreign term

Re: [Zope-dev] Translations for zope packages.

2009-02-10 Thread Adam GROSZER
Hello, Yeah, after a quick check it's superseeded by Lokalize which in turn seems to have also Translation memory and Glossary, where glossary looks like the termbase support. http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdesdk/lokalize/glossary.html Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 9:01:49 AM, you wrote: SR>

Re: [Zope-dev] Translations for zope packages.

2009-02-10 Thread Stephan Richter
On Monday 09 February 2009, Adam GROSZER wrote: > There are proprietary tools to enforce this. I think launchpad > translation is somehow also a translation memory as it pulls in > previous translations. > Though no idea how the above could be solved with FOSS tools. KDE's KBabel has support for P