Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-13 Thread Bjorn Tillenius
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 09:51:42AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: > Bjorn Tillenius wrote: >>> https://launchpad.net/zope2 >> >> Oh, that's unfortunate. There you have to go to the Bugs tab, and then >> you should see a "Subscribe to bug mail" link in the middle of the page. > > ...and even there it's

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-13 Thread Chris Withers
Bjorn Tillenius wrote: >> https://launchpad.net/zope2 > > Oh, that's unfortunate. There you have to go to the Bugs tab, and then > you should see a "Subscribe to bug mail" link in the middle of the page. ...and even there it's pretty well hidden. Why isn't it a "big button" like "Report a bug" a

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-13 Thread Bjorn Tillenius
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 09:31:42AM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: > Bjorn Tillenius wrote: >> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 02:25:38PM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: >>> The problem is that the visibility of issues in Launchpad is very >>> poor. You can't even get notifications of bugs unless you're part of

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-13 Thread Chetan Kumar
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Chris Withers wrote: > I see no such option on: > > https://launchpad.net/zope2 This page has the option: https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope2 "Bugs" tab on this link takes one to the above URL. https://launchpad.net/zope2 Chetan

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-13 Thread Chris Withers
Bjorn Tillenius wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 02:25:38PM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: >> The problem is that the visibility of issues in Launchpad is very poor. >> You can't even get notifications of bugs unless you're part of the >> development team. > > You don't have to be part of the devel

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-13 Thread Bjorn Tillenius
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 02:25:38PM +0100, Chris Withers wrote: > The problem is that the visibility of issues in Launchpad is very poor. > You can't even get notifications of bugs unless you're part of the > development team. You don't have to be part of the development team. You can go to https

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Withers
Sidnei da Silva wrote: > Obviously it's not visible anymore once you *are* a member of a team. > For an example of what it looks like when you're not a member of a > team, see this screenshot: > > http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/14102/screenshot_027_8l3CD1.png > > To me the link is perfectly cle

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Chris Withers wrote: > Sidnei da Silva wrote: >> >> And the original message said: >> >> """ >> That page was changed recently >> to show more information. You can see from the screenshot on this page >> that there used to be a Big Green Button in the page for joi

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Withers
Sidnei da Silva wrote: > And the original message said: > > """ > That page was changed recently > to show more information. You can see from the screenshot on this page > that there used to be a Big Green Button in the page for joining the > team: > > https://help.launchpad.net/Teams/Joining > "

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jung wrote: > On 12.05.09 16:02, Andreas Jung wrote: >> On 12.05.09 15:25, Chris Withers wrote: >> >>> Andreas Jung wrote: >>> > - It's being done into the beta phase of Zope 2.12 > changes in this *early* beta ph

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Andreas Jung
On 12.05.09 17:25, Chris Withers wrote: > > Sidnei da Silva wrote: > >> >> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Chris Withers >> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Huh? I can't tell for zope2-dev as I'm a member, but I see no "big >>> >>> green >>> >>> button" here: >>> >>> >>> >>> https://edge.launchpad.

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Chris Withers wrote: > I'm reading everything you're writing. What do you think I missed? You said: >>> Huh? I can't tell for zope2-dev as I'm a member, but I see no "big green >>> button" here: And the original message said: """ That page was changed recently

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Withers
Sidnei da Silva wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Chris Withers > wrote: >> Huh? I can't tell for zope2-dev as I'm a member, but I see no "big green >> button" here: >> >> https://edge.launchpad.net/~launchpad-dev > > Chris, please slow down and read the *whole* message and also my othe

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Andreas Jung
On 12.05.09 17:07, Sidnei da Silva wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: > >> Will do - after having the URL for the "Join" link. >> > https://launchpad.net/~zope2-dev/+join I added a note to the developers docs (should be online with the next automatic update of

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Chris Withers wrote: > Huh? I can't tell for zope2-dev as I'm a member, but I see no "big green > button" here: > > https://edge.launchpad.net/~launchpad-dev Chris, please slow down and read the *whole* message and also my other replies. I can't keep up with your

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Withers
Sidnei da Silva wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Chris Withers > wrote: >> It took me ages to figure out how to do this, and I still couldn't tell >> you how to do it now. Launchpad has an *extremely* poor UI here, what >> would be so hard about having a "request to join this team" link

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Chris Withers wrote: > Sidnei da Silva wrote: >> >> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: >>> >>> Will do - after having the URL for the "Join" link. >> >> https://launchpad.net/~zope2-dev/+join > > And where, exactly, are you supposed to find tha

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Chris Withers wrote: > It took me ages to figure out how to do this, and I still couldn't tell > you how to do it now. Launchpad has an *extremely* poor UI here, what > would be so hard about having a "request to join this team" link > somewhere prominently on the

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Withers
Sidnei da Silva wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: >> Will do - after having the URL for the "Join" link. > > https://launchpad.net/~zope2-dev/+join And where, exactly, are you supposed to find that?! Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulti

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: > Will do - after having the URL for the "Join" link. https://launchpad.net/~zope2-dev/+join -- Sidnei da Silva Canonical Ltd.  Landscape · Changing the way you manage your systems http://landscape.canonical.com _

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Andreas Jung
On 12.05.09 16:58, Chris Withers wrote: > Andreas Jung wrote: >> Every active core developer should be member of Zope 2 dev team: >> >> https://launchpad.net/~zope2-dev >> >> It is up to each developer to join the team > > It took me ages to figure out how to do this, and I still couldn't > tell yo

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: > Every active core developer should be member of Zope 2 dev team: > > https://launchpad.net/~zope2-dev > > It is up to each developer to join the team It took me ages to figure out how to do this, and I still couldn't tell you how to do it now. Launchpad has an *extremely*

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Andreas Jung
On 12.05.09 16:02, Andreas Jung wrote: > On 12.05.09 15:25, Chris Withers wrote: > >> Andreas Jung wrote: >> - It's being done into the beta phase of Zope 2.12 >>> changes in this *early* beta phase, no changes after beta 2 are >>> acceptable). >>> >> This feels l

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Andreas Jung
On 12.05.09 16:53, Andreas Jung wrote: > >> That said, I think the process issues are more important than sepcific >> changes here: >> >> - We are too late in the cycle to be jamming in huge piles of features. >> > Two is not a big pile. We had changes other than bugfixes after beta at > le

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Andreas Jung
On 12.05.09 16:37, Andreas Jung wrote: > On 12.05.09 15:29, Sidnei da Silva wrote: > >> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Chris Withers >> wrote: >> >> >>> The problem is that the visibility of issues in Launchpad is very poor. >>> You can't even get notifications of bugs unless you're

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: > I *think* there was such a list. LP provides mailinglist support for > for each group > > https://launchpad.net/~zope2-dev That's an option, creating a mailing list for the team. However it's not required. See below. > but I see no option f

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Chris Withers wrote: > Andreas Jung wrote: >> but I see no option for using such a list for tracker notifications. >> >> I suggest to add a pseudo member to the Zope 2 dev team and configure its >> mail address to some new mailman list on lists.zope.org where ppl >> can subscribe/unsubscribe at the

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: > but I see no option for using such a list for tracker notifications. > > I suggest to add a pseudo member to the Zope 2 dev team and configure its > mail address to some new mailman list on lists.zope.org where ppl > can subscribe/unsubscribe at their own joy and pleasure. >

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Withers wrote: > Andreas Jung wrote: >>> - It's being done into the beta phase of Zope 2.12 >> changes in this *early* beta phase, no changes after beta 2 are >> acceptable). > > This feels like an abuse of your position as release manager. > C

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Withers
Sidnei da Silva wrote: > Yes, that is possible. But I fear this list might not be the most > appropriate place. Why not? I think having all developers being away of activity going on with issues related to the software would be a good thing... > Maybe we should revive the 'zope-collector' maili

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Sidnei da Silva
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Chris Withers wrote: > The problem is that the visibility of issues in Launchpad is very poor. > You can't even get notifications of bugs unless you're part of the > development team. Using it for features means that no-one in the wider > community is likely to ev

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: >> - It's being done into the beta phase of Zope 2.12 > changes in this *early* beta phase, no changes after beta 2 are > acceptable). This feels like an abuse of your position as release manager. Can you honestly tell me that if it was anyone other than you, you'd let them m

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ merged haufe-legacy-integration branch

2009-05-12 Thread Chris Withers
Hi All, I have some real issues with this work being done in the fashion it has: - It's being done into the beta phase of Zope 2.12 - There's been zero discussion with the community before this was done. Have I missed something here? In particular: > Modified: Zope/trunk/src/ZPublisher/Publish