Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-25 Thread Stefan H. Holek
+1 I have handed systems with a thin ZClass layer on top to semi- developers and they were *easily* able to take it from there. These are people who would never have grokked (and bothered with) disk- based Python development and all the mumbo-jumbo it entails. No other system has anything

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-25 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2006-3-25 08:19 +0100: ... I am very happy to read this... I still have no idea why you are behind ZClasses? It is nice to have an UI supported way to build applications. ZClasses are in many cases easier than Python based product development. ... ZClasses will stay

[Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Jim Fulton
On the subject of deprecation, for the record, I think removing ZClasses is a mistake. They have legitimate uses. They have major flaws too. It would help if we would more clearly document their limitations and pitfalls, rather than get rid of them, at least until we have something better,

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:25, Jim Fulton wrote: On the subject of deprecation, for the record, I think removing ZClasses is a mistake. They have legitimate uses. They have major flaws too. It would help if we would more clearly document their

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Jim Fulton
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:25, Jim Fulton wrote: On the subject of deprecation, for the record, I think removing ZClasses is a mistake. They have legitimate uses. They have major flaws too. It would help if we would more

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 24. März 2006 11:25:53 -0500 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the subject of deprecation, for the record, I think removing ZClasses is a mistake. They have legitimate uses. I don't think that ZClasses have real use in the current Zope world except for legacy code. Most people

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Jim Fulton
Andreas Jung wrote: --On 24. März 2006 11:25:53 -0500 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the subject of deprecation, for the record, I think removing ZClasses is a mistake. They have legitimate uses. I don't think that ZClasses have real use in the current Zope world except for

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 24. März 2006 11:25:53 -0500 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the subject of deprecation, for the record, I think removing ZClasses is a mistake. They have legitimate uses. They have major flaws too. It would help if we would more clearly document their limitations and

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Jim Fulton
Andreas Jung wrote: --On 24. März 2006 11:25:53 -0500 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the subject of deprecation, for the record, I think removing ZClasses is a mistake. They have legitimate uses. They have major flaws too. It would help if we would more clearly document their

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 24. März 2006 12:03:42 -0500 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are lots of people who have good uses for ZClasses for quick one-off projects. I've heard from some of them. There are lots of people who use Zope who don't fit this definition. I care about these people. :)

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Jim Fulton
Andreas Jung wrote: --On 24. März 2006 12:03:42 -0500 Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are lots of people who have good uses for ZClasses for quick one-off projects. I've heard from some of them. There are lots of people who use Zope who don't fit this definition. I care

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jim Fulton wrote at 2006-3-24 11:25 -0500: On the subject of deprecation, for the record, I think removing ZClasses is a mistake. They have legitimate uses. They have major flaws too. It would help if we would more clearly document their limitations and pitfalls, rather than get rid of them,

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 24. März 2006 21:05:49 +0100 Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Fulton wrote at 2006-3-24 11:25 -0500: On the subject of deprecation, for the record, I think removing ZClasses is a mistake. They have legitimate uses. They have major flaws too. It would help if we would