[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions?

2006-03-04 Thread Rocky Burt
On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 09:30 +0100, Max M wrote: Benji York wrote: If we want people outside of the zope community to use these components, they should not have the word zope anywhere in their name. If it says zope people will *always* assume it is for use only with/inside Zope (Zope 2

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions?

2006-03-04 Thread Max M
Rocky Burt wrote: On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 09:30 +0100, Max M wrote: Benji York wrote: If we want people outside of the zope community to use these components, they should not have the word zope anywhere in their name. If it says zope people will *always* assume it is for use only with/inside

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions?

2006-03-03 Thread Max M
Benji York wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Good point. There's the question: Does this zed thing need a different name at all? If we want other people to pick it up, then it seems like a good idea to distinguish it from Zope-the-app-server. Paul seems to suggest that in his response.

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-02-28 Thread Martijn Faassen
Max M wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: 2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5. Zope 2 is complicated! It has too many layers of everything. The reason for Zope 3 is to make it simpler for developers. Therefore I believe that any succesfull strategy would require Zope 3 to be usable

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-02-28 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 28. Februar 2006 16:06:55 +0100 Philipp von Weitershausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think focusing on one app server and a dedicated set of libraries would be a good alternative to two concurring app servers. +1 -aj pgpe9Th17c7O9.pgp Description: PGP signature

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-02-28 Thread Martijn Faassen
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: 1) Our current vision (AFAIK) is that Zope 3 will eventually replace Zope 2 2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5. As you probably know already, I am -1 on the second proposal, since it will disallow us to finally get

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-02-28 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martijn Faassen wrote: Max M wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: 2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5. Zope 2 is complicated! It has too many layers of everything. The reason for Zope 3 is to make it simpler for developers. Therefore

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-02-28 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 2/28/06, Tres Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the other major point is the door #2 proposal takes pressure off of Zope3: under that regime, Zope3 does not need to grow all the features present in Zope2, which door #1 *does* imply. I still would like to know wich these missing

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-02-28 Thread Martijn Faassen
Tres Seaver wrote: [snip] In this vision, the Zope 3 project should stay where it is and push things forward. That doesn't mean Five should be ignored by Zope 3 developers, but it should be compartmentalized in people's minds. Zope 3 does innovation, Five does integration, and then the big

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-02-27 Thread Dario Lopez-Kästen
Max M said the following on 2006-02-27 17:26: Jim Fulton wrote: 2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5. Zope 2 is complicated! It has too many layers of everything. read the full sentence that Jim wrote: 2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5. ... Note

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions

2006-02-27 Thread Stefane Fermigier
Max M wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: 2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5. Zope 2 is complicated! It has too many layers of everything. Layers are good, when they reliably hide complexity. The reason for Zope 3 is to make it simpler for developers. Yep. 14'30'' wikis and such.