Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZClassNG proposal makes Archetypes Easy.

2007-04-26 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 4/25/07, Christopher Lozinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And I would like these schema generators to understand not only specific python objects, but also the network of python business objects. [...] I would like a security model based on business rules. There is nothing in ZClasses that

[Zope-dev] Re: ZClassNG proposal makes Archetypes Easy.

2007-04-25 Thread Christopher Lozinski
But that isn't what he thinks he wants, :-) Allow me to speak for what i want. I am glad to hear that people think that there is a role for TTW editing. I am glad that there is a tool in Zope 3 for TTW editing. http://agendaless.com/Members/tseaver/software/userschema/ I am glad that th

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZClassNG proposal makes Archetypes Easy.

2007-04-24 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 25. April 2007 07:48:04 +0200 Lennart Regebro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 4/24/07, Laurence Rowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I actually think TTW schema generation has some validity (so content types can be easily generated by users). Totally. What Christopher needs can be done with

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZClassNG proposal makes Archetypes Easy.

2007-04-24 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 4/24/07, Laurence Rowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I actually think TTW schema generation has some validity (so content types can be easily generated by users). Totally. What Christopher needs can be done with for example CPS, quite easily, and maybe with Plone as well, if there is a TTW Sche

[Zope-dev] Re: ZClassNG proposal makes Archetypes Easy.

2007-04-24 Thread Ross Patterson
Laurence Rowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I actually think TTW schema generation has some validity (so content > types can be easily generated by users). Restricted Python (in python > scripts) just kind of sucks though for being almost python but a > little different. You could keep python code

[Zope-dev] Re: ZClassNG proposal makes Archetypes Easy.

2007-04-24 Thread Laurence Rowe
I actually think TTW schema generation has some validity (so content types can be easily generated by users). Restricted Python (in python scripts) just kind of sucks though for being almost python but a little different. You could keep python code on the filesystem seperate and just write adap

[Zope-dev] Re: ZClassNG proposal makes Archetypes Easy.

2007-04-23 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Aspeli wrote: > Chris Withers wrote: >> Martin Aspeli wrote: >>> Plone development with Archetypes is not painful. Hundreds of developers >>> do it, so it can't be that bad. AT has the classic "Z-shaped curve" in spades: when it does what y

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZClassNG proposal makes Archetypes Easy.

2007-04-23 Thread Martin Aspeli
Andreas Jung-5 wrote: > >> Okay. Let me rephrase. Most people don't find it painful, and a huge >> number of developers are being very productive with Archetypes. I know >> you hate it Chris, but you are in the minority. >> > > I have to second that. The latest versions of AT are pretty much s

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZClassNG proposal makes Archetypes Easy.

2007-04-23 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 23. April 2007 03:57:25 -0700 Martin Aspeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Chris Withers wrote: Martin Aspeli wrote: Plone development with Archetypes is not painful. Hundreds of developers do it, so it can't be that bad. Urm, that's not true. Archetypes is the single most painful co

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZClassNG proposal makes Archetypes Easy.

2007-04-23 Thread Martin Aspeli
Chris Withers wrote: > > Martin Aspeli wrote: >> Plone development with Archetypes is not painful. Hundreds of developers >> do it, so it can't be that bad. > > Urm, that's not true. Archetypes is the single most painful component to > use from Plone... > > It's also the biggest source of

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ZClassNG proposal makes Archetypes Easy.

2007-04-23 Thread Chris Withers
Martin Aspeli wrote: Plone development with Archetypes is not painful. Hundreds of developers do it, so it can't be that bad. Urm, that's not true. Archetypes is the single most painful component to use from Plone... It's also the biggest source of frustration I have with Plone. Chris --

[Zope-dev] Re: ZClassNG proposal makes Archetypes Easy.

2007-04-22 Thread Martin Aspeli
Christopher Lozinski wrote: For those who have not been following this thread, here is the proposal. http://wiki.zope.org/zope2/ZClassesNG Can you please not start a new thread for every turn of this conversation? 8 of the last 9 threads are by you on this exact issue. Last night I realized