Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope vs. Cocoon

2002-02-27 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Oliver Bleutgen wrote: > > Very nice&interesting thread ... > > Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > >>"Craeg K. Strong" wrote: > >>- Because of acquisition, you can add behavior to objects without > >>changing their class definitions. > >> > > > > Can you please elaborate more on this? > > > I'm sure Cra

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope vs. Cocoon

2002-02-26 Thread Oliver Bleutgen
Very nice&interesting thread ... Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: >>"Craeg K. Strong" wrote: >>- Because of acquisition, you can add behavior to objects without >>changing their class definitions. >> > > Can you please elaborate more on this? > I'm sure Craeg can and will, but there's IMO a very nice e

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope vs. Cocoon

2002-02-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
seb bacon wrote: > > A few points I'd like to add. Before I do, a disclaimer: I've never > used Cocoon, and I really like Zope. Having said that, I've used lots > of other 'competing' systems, and I am able to see Zope's weak points. > > > > > > >Some don't think this 'cloning restriction' a s

[Zope-dev] Re: Zope vs. Cocoon

2002-02-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
"Craeg K. Strong" wrote: > > Hello: > > I am the author of this paper (mea culpa! :-) and I thought I > would respond to your comments. First off, thanks for thorough and > thoughtful review. My responses are embedded below: Craeg, I have to thank you for giving us such good opportunity to

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope vs. Cocoon

2002-02-25 Thread seb bacon
On Mon, 2002-02-25 at 14:07, Steve Alexander wrote: > Max M wrote: > > seb bacon wrote: > > > >> Architecturally, it is *excellent*, and I'm very excited about it. I > >> could wax on for hours, but I won't right now. > >> > > > > > > I only wish somebody would ... It is hard to figure it out

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope vs. Cocoon

2002-02-25 Thread Romain Slootmaekers
I asked the tomcat mailing list more than a year ago what they thought about zope and got no response what so ever To be short: -what jsp misses is object based authorization like zope. -what zope misses is good documentation, and something like the catilina reac

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope vs. Cocoon

2002-02-25 Thread Gilles Lenfant
sites in my first 2 months of Zope practice before knowing how to place the "best objects at the best place". --Gilles - Original Message - From: "seb bacon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 25

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope vs. Cocoon

2002-02-25 Thread Stephan Richter
At 02:07 PM 2/25/2002 +, Steve Alexander wrote: >>I only wish somebody would ... It is hard to figure it out fully by >>reading only the online documentation. > >Do the tutorial: > >http://cvs.zope.org/Docs/Docs.tar.gz?tarball=1 Well, and I'll repeat my offer from IPC10: In case you or your

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope vs. Cocoon

2002-02-25 Thread Steve Alexander
Max M wrote: > seb bacon wrote: > >> Architecturally, it is *excellent*, and I'm very excited about it. I >> could wax on for hours, but I won't right now. >> > > > I only wish somebody would ... It is hard to figure it out fully by > reading only the online documentation. Do the tutorial:

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope vs. Cocoon

2002-02-25 Thread Max M
seb bacon wrote: >Architecturally, it is *excellent*, and I'm very excited about it. I >could wax on for hours, but I won't right now. > I only wish somebody would ... It is hard to figure it out fully by reading only the online documentation. regards Max M ___

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zope vs. Cocoon

2002-02-25 Thread seb bacon
A few points I'd like to add. Before I do, a disclaimer: I've never used Cocoon, and I really like Zope. Having said that, I've used lots of other 'competing' systems, and I am able to see Zope's weak points. > > > >Some don't think this 'cloning restriction' a severe limitation, I think > >thi

[Zope-dev] Re: Zope vs. Cocoon

2002-02-25 Thread Craeg K. Strong
Hello: I am the author of this paper (mea culpa! :-) and I thought I would respond to your comments. First off, thanks for thorough and thoughtful review. My responses are embedded below: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: >First, kudos to Gianugo for finding the ask-slashdot thread about 'zope >vs. c