Something better than ZClasses (was: Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zcatalogbloat problem (berkeleydb is a solution?))

2001-06-26 Thread Morten W. Petersen
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Erik Enge wrote: > If your application can't be written in five minutes and you expect to use > it more than once, you shouldn't use ZClasses - IMO. The only argument > for ZClasses (that I had at the time) was that it was very easy and fast > to set up a couple of classes a

Re: Something better than ZClasses (was: Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zcatalogbloat problem (berkeleydb is a solution?))

2001-06-26 Thread Erik Enge
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Morten W. Petersen wrote: > How about meta-programming (designing) via the Zope interface, with > UML or somesuch; automatically generating Python code, then enable > designers to use a ZFormulator-ish product to edit the interface while > a programmer can work on the 'backen

Re: Something better than ZClasses (was: Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zcatalogbloat problem (berkeleydb is a solution?))

2001-06-26 Thread Morten W. Petersen
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Erik Enge wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Morten W. Petersen wrote: > > > How about meta-programming (designing) via the Zope interface, with > > UML or somesuch; automatically generating Python code, then enable > > designers to use a ZFormulator-ish product to edit the inter

Re: Something better than ZClasses (was: Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zcatalogbloat problem (berkeleydb is a solution?))

2001-06-26 Thread Erik Enge
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Andy McKay wrote: > One thing Id been musing about for a while was a ZClass > Python Product > script that took your ZClass and set up your basic python product for you. > It would only work for simple for things like permissions, properties, basic > methods... Then ZClasses

Re: Something better than ZClasses (was: Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zcatalogbloat problem (berkeleydb is a solution?))

2001-06-26 Thread Morten W. Petersen
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Morten W. Petersen wrote: > Well, it's quite logical: UML can be used to map out both software and > business development (they are, after all, two sides of the same story), > the designer can twiddle-n-polish the interface and the programmer can > take care of 'exceptional t

Re: Something better than ZClasses (was: Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zcatalogbloat problem (berkeleydb is a solution?))

2001-06-26 Thread Morten W. Petersen
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Stephan Richter wrote: > - A simple DTML Zope programmers costs are okay and maybe below programmer > average. > - A good Zope/Python programmer will cost above average. > - A good Zope/Python System-Designer is very expensive. > > Because of that you try to minimize the

Re: Something better than ZClasses (was: Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zcatalogbloat problem (berkeleydb is a solution?))

2001-06-26 Thread Erik Enge
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Stephan Richter wrote: > 1. We are building a wizard that asks you all the necessary questions > to generate a basic class framwework. Sounds exactly like my mk-zprod. > If anyone is interested in helping developing that tool (which will be > released under the GPL as all o

Re: Something better than ZClasses (was: Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Zcatalogbloat problem (berkeleydb is a solution?))

2001-06-26 Thread Erik Enge
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Stephan Richter wrote: > I looked at the code pretty quick. I like it from the first view. It > is very clean and easy to see the functionality. I think, if you can > define an ZPI for your communication, then it will be no problem to > put a SmartWizard Class Generator Front