Re: [Zope3-dev] Release numbering

2005-04-22 Thread Stephan Richter
On Friday 22 April 2005 11:37, Jim Fulton wrote: > > "It is in our opinion that Zope 3.1 is more than ready for production > > use, which is why we decided to drop the X for experimental. We will > > also continue to work on making the transition between Zope 2 and Zope 3 > > as smooth as possible.

Re: [Zope3-dev] Building standalone ZPT from Zope 3 using zpkgtools

2005-04-22 Thread Fred Drake
On 4/22/05, Shane Hathaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > don't think zpkgtools wants to manage dependencies on the whole system, > yet that's what users need. Yes. It should be possible for zpkg to assemble the requirements metadata from components so that it all gets reported to distutils (if dis

Re: [Zope3-dev] Building standalone ZPT from Zope 3 using zpkgtools

2005-04-22 Thread Shane Hathaway
Jim Fulton wrote: > Shane Hathaway wrote: >> I'm sure Fred is doing excellent work, but I'm having trouble seeing why >> we need zpkgtools. Is it not sufficient to just "python setup.py >> install" all of Zope 3? > > I hope so. What zpkgtools does is to: > > - Build our setup.py script (which

Re: [Zope3-dev] Release numbering

2005-04-22 Thread Jim Fulton
Martijn Faassen wrote: ... "It is in our opinion that Zope 3.1 is more than ready for production use, which is why we decided to drop the X for experimental. We will also continue to work on making the transition between Zope 2 and Zope 3 as smooth as possible. As a first step, Zope 2.8 includes

Re: [Zope3-dev] Building standalone ZPT from Zope 3 using zpkgtools

2005-04-22 Thread Martijn Faassen
Stephan Richter wrote: [snip] > I think of zpkgtools as a prototype for extensions that are necessary > for distutils. Is it the Zope project's job to extend distutils, though? I mean, developing something new is nice, but there's a lot of a new stuff on our plate already, isn't there? Overall

Re: [Zope3-dev] Building standalone ZPT from Zope 3 using zpkgtools

2005-04-22 Thread Jim Fulton
Shane Hathaway wrote: Shane Hathaway wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: Thanks for the positive feedback. Fred Drake worked very hard on this. One thing we did right was to leverage distutils ability to build binary releases. I'm also encouraged by work done at the recent PyCon sprints that someday we'll

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Building standalone ZPT from Zope 3 using zpkgtools

2005-04-22 Thread Stephan Richter
On Thursday 21 April 2005 23:16, Shane Hathaway wrote: > Tres Seaver wrote: > > It sounds like you are using Zope3 as libraries, which is the > > traditional "sweet spot" for distutis;  zpkgutils is really aimed at the > > kind of usage where distutils sucks^H^H^H^H^Hfails to meet expectations, > >

RE: [Zope3-dev] Building standalone ZPT from Zope 3 using zpkgtools

2005-04-22 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Stephan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Stephan Richter > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 2:22 PM > To: zope3-dev@zope.org > Cc: Chris Withers; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Shane Hathaway > Subject: Re: [Zope3-dev] Building standalone ZPT from Zope 3 > using zpkgtools >

Re: [Zope3-dev] Building standalone ZPT from Zope 3 using zpkgtools

2005-04-22 Thread Stephan Richter
On Thursday 21 April 2005 18:34, Shane Hathaway wrote: > I'm sure Fred is doing excellent work, but I'm having trouble seeing why > we need zpkgtools.  Is it not sufficient to just "python setup.py > install" all of Zope 3?  I've been doing that with Zope 3 Subversion > checkouts and Twisted, even

Re: [Zope3-dev] Building standalone ZPT from Zope 3 using zpkgtools

2005-04-22 Thread Martijn Faassen
Shane Hathaway wrote: [snip] I'm sure Fred is doing excellent work, but I'm having trouble seeing why we need zpkgtools. Is it not sufficient to just "python setup.py install" all of Zope 3? I've been doing that with Zope 3 Subversion checkouts and Twisted, even though I actually use less than 10

[Zope3-dev] Packages in X3 3.1

2005-04-22 Thread Stephan Richter
Hello everyone, I am pretty much done getting the release structure setup, i.e. get it running and deciding what will be in and what will be out. I have a hard time to decide about the following: zope.app.recorder -- Allows you to create functional doc tests by simply using a special HTTP serv

Re: [Zope3-dev] Release numbering

2005-04-22 Thread Stephan Richter
On Friday 22 April 2005 03:33, Christian Theune wrote: > So, unfortunately, "Zope 3.1 CC" or "Certified Zope 3.1.1"" might become > reality. Eventually it also will only be "Zope 3.1.5 (certified)". > Problem is: I have to state an (estimated) identifier within the > certification documents to iden

Re: [Zope3-dev] Release numbering

2005-04-22 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, * Jim Fulton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050420 17:37]: > > I was hoping to stay out of this discussion, but ... > > 1. There will be many more releases of Zope 2, including > 2-digit releases like 2.10, 2.11, etc. > > 2. The X in Zope 3X means that there is not yet support for > Zope 2 tr