I'd like to get feedback on two possible visions for the future of
Zope 2 and Zope 3.
1) Our current vision (AFAIK) is that Zope 3 will eventually
replace Zope 2
- There will be lots of overlap between the Zope 2 and Zope 3
lifetimes. (Zope 2 might be supported more or less
On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 10:37 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
I'd like to get feedback on two possible visions for the future of
Zope 2 and Zope 3.
1) Our current vision (AFAIK) is that Zope 3 will eventually
replace Zope 2
- There will be lots of overlap between the Zope 2 and Zope 3
My 2 EuroCents:
Vision 1 is, I think what is happening at the moment for pragamatic and
practical reasons. Drawbacks of this is that we loose the ZopeX3
(Zope3X?) vision of cutting loose from old burdens and take off to new
horizons.
Vision 2, on the other hand (at least to me in my
OK, some initial, fuzzy comments:
On 2/27/06, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In this vision, Zope 3 would have to become a lot more like
Zope 2, or we would lose features.
You are thinking about things like TTW development and such? Because I
see that as add-on products of different
Jim Fulton wrote:
2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5.
Zope 2 is complicated! It has too many layers of everything.
The reason for Zope 3 is to make it simpler for developers.
Therefore I believe that any succesfull strategy would require Zope 3 to
be usable completely
Max M said the following on 2006-02-27 17:26:
Jim Fulton wrote:
2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5.
Zope 2 is complicated! It has too many layers of everything.
read the full sentence that Jim wrote:
2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5.
...
Note
Max M wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5.
Zope 2 is complicated! It has too many layers of everything.
Layers are good, when they reliably hide complexity.
The reason for Zope 3 is to make it simpler for developers.
Yep. 14'30'' wikis and such.
Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote:
Max M said the following on 2006-02-27 17:26:
Jim Fulton wrote:
2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5.
Zope 2 is complicated! It has too many layers of everything.
read the full sentence that Jim wrote:
2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2
At pycon we have just moved zope.interface
into a separate project (in preparation for eggification).
It's now a separate project at
http://svn.zope.org/zope.interface/trunk/
and is stitched into zope as an external.
To update existing trunk sandboxes, you'll want to make clean
before doing svn
Jim Fulton wrote:
2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5.
+1 as already discussed at PyCON.
- Zope 5 will be the application server generally known as Zope. It
will be backward compatible (to the same degree that Zope 2
releases are currently backward compatible
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 12:31:33AM +0100, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
I will also note that just because Zope 2 won't die, it doesn't mean we
shouldn't clean it up. Eventually, Zope should mostly be reusing things
from Zed.
+sys.maxint
I think this will be the way we get a real forward
OK, we now have two more packages separated:
http://svn.zope.org/zope.deprecation
http://svn.zope.org/zope.testing
As before, if you have existing trunk checkouts, you
may need to make clean before you can successfully update.
Local changes in those packages will also block updates.
--
Paul
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On Mon, Feb 27, 2006 at 06:56:38PM -0600, Paul Winkler wrote:
OK, we now have two more packages separated:
On Monday 27 February 2006 16:56, Paul Winkler wrote:
At pycon we have just moved zope.interface
into a separate project (in preparation for eggification).
It's now a separate project at
http://svn.zope.org/zope.interface/trunk/
and is stitched into zope as an external.
I would really like
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On Monday 27 February 2006 10:37, Jim Fulton wrote:
1) Our current vision (AFAIK) is that Zope 3 will eventually
replace Zope 2
2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5.
As you probably know already, I am -1 on the second proposal, since it will
disallow us to finally get rid
Yet another package is now separated:
http://svn.zope.org/zope.i18nmessageid
As before, if you have existing trunk checkouts, you
may need to make clean before you can successfully update.
Local changes in this packages will also block updates.
btw, these packages do not currently install
--On 27. Februar 2006 21:57:46 -0500 Stephan Richter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 27 February 2006 10:37, Jim Fulton wrote:
1) Our current vision (AFAIK) is that Zope 3 will eventually
replace Zope 2
2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5.
As you probably know
On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:37 AM, Jim Fulton wrote:
2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5.
Of the two, this seems more believable. It also may be the best we
can do. However, I still don't like it. :-)
- Zope 5 will be the application server generally known as
Zope. It
On 2/27/06, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd like to get feedback on two possible visions for the future of
Zope 2 and Zope 3.
1) Our current vision (AFAIK) is that Zope 3 will eventually
replace Zope 2
- There will be lots of overlap between the Zope 2 and Zope 3
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