[Zope3-dev] Re: Through-the-web reStructuredText

2006-07-07 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Haubenwallner wrote: > Tres Seaver wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Jim Fulton wrote: >> >>> Zope 3, as releases is not affected by the security hole that >>> has plagued Zope 2, however, Michael Haubenwallner ha

[Zope3-dev] Re: Through-the-web reStructuredText

2006-07-07 Thread Michael Haubenwallner
Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: Zope 3, as releases is not affected by the security hole that has plagued Zope 2, however, Michael Haubenwallner has pointed out that some add-on-products, such as zwiki and bugtracker, may provide TTW reST. T

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Through-the-web reStructuredText

2006-07-07 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 7, 2006, at 4:37 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: Zope 3, as releases is not affected by the security hole that has plagued Zope 2, however, Michael Haubenwallner has pointed out that some add-on-products, such as zwiki and bugtrac

[Zope3-dev] Re: Through-the-web reStructuredText

2006-07-07 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: > Zope 3, as releases is not affected by the security hole that > has plagued Zope 2, however, Michael Haubenwallner has pointed > out that some add-on-products, such as zwiki and bugtracker, may > provide TTW reST. They appear to b

[Zope3-dev] Re: The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread dieter
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote at 2006-7-6 21:35 +0200: > ... >If you follow the argument that untested code is broken by definition, I do not follow it. >then you essentially have no fix if you get a fix without knowing >whether it actually works. In many cases, I can convince myself that a fi

[Zope3-dev] Through-the-web reStructuredText

2006-07-07 Thread Jim Fulton
Zope 3, as releases is not affected by the security hole that has plagued Zope 2, however, Michael Haubenwallner has pointed out that some add-on-products, such as zwiki and bugtracker, may provide TTW reST. There are 2 issues here: 1. That we need to warn anyone using these that there is an is

[Zope3-dev] Re: What are zope.generic, z3c, ldapauth, et.al.?

2006-07-07 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Tres Seaver wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> no problem, I agree to have a place for such infos. >>> The README.txt files are not good enough for give a overview >>> because you have to checkout first or browse the really slow >>> repos with a browser. >>> >>> Tell me where is somewhere and

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Julien Anguenot
Jim Fulton wrote: > > On Jul 7, 2006, at 9:45 AM, Julien Anguenot wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> Jim Fulton wrote: >>> On Jul 5, 2006, at 5:46 AM, Christian Theune wrote: I'm sitting at EuroPython right now, and a small discussion came up, trying to find out why nobody seems motivated to f

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 7, 2006, at 9:45 AM, Julien Anguenot wrote: Hi there, Jim Fulton wrote: On Jul 5, 2006, at 5:46 AM, Christian Theune wrote: I'm sitting at EuroPython right now, and a small discussion came up, trying to find out why nobody seems motivated to fix bugs came up. Martijn Fassen noted tha

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Julien Anguenot
Hi there, Jim Fulton wrote: > On Jul 5, 2006, at 5:46 AM, Christian Theune wrote: >> I'm sitting at EuroPython right now, and a small discussion came up, >> trying to find out why nobody seems motivated to fix bugs came up. >> >> Martijn Fassen noted that the tools we use should be better (I agree

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 7, 2006, at 7:52 AM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, Jim Fulton wrote: On Jul 6, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Theune wrote at 2006-7-5 11:46 +0200: ... Another thing are the rules about unit tests. Some bugs touch areas that ar

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Christian Theune
Hi, Jim Fulton wrote: On Jul 6, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Theune wrote at 2006-7-5 11:46 +0200: ... Another thing are the rules about unit tests. Some bugs touch areas that are poorly tested. When I fix a bug over there, do I hav

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Christian Theune
Jim Fulton wrote: I think we need to be more draconian about quality. Because we are late for this release, we will need to take the usual shortcuts, however, if we find missing tests, we should report them as non-critical bugs. In addition, we should disallow any new features that would affect

Re: [Zope3-dev] The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 5, 2006, at 5:46 AM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, I'm sitting at EuroPython right now, and a small discussion came up, trying to find out why nobody seems motivated to fix bugs came up. Martijn Fassen noted that the tools we use should be better (I agree on that, especially making

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 6, 2006, at 10:11 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christian Theune wrote: Hi, Marius Gedminas wrote: I do not think that the requirements to 4. Write unit tests 5. Merge bugfixes from trunk to the release branch 6. Wait for the incredibly slow upd

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 6, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote: On 7/6/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When I have introduced secondary bugs in my fixes (which occasionally happened), then a unit test would not have helped. The reason was then that the affected code was used in unantici

[Zope3-dev] Re: running tests from src as opposed to an instance

2006-07-07 Thread Chris Withers
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Zope 2 releases should ship with bin/test.py (probably Scripts\test.py on Windows). Though the one shipping with Zope 2.9.3 doesn't properly set up PYTHONPATH to include the Zope 2.9.3 SOFTWARE_HOME. Perhaps that's going to be fixed in Zope 2.9.4 which won't be bu

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jul 6, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Theune wrote at 2006-7-5 11:46 +0200: ... Another thing are the rules about unit tests. Some bugs touch areas that are poorly tested. When I fix a bug over there, do I have to work harder to

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Comment on ITranslationDomain

2006-07-07 Thread Stephan Richter
On Friday 07 July 2006 05:18, Chris Withers wrote: > Well, that was one of the most useless responses I've ever read ;-) > > Care to explain what, exactly, you were saying "yes" too? Sorry, it is not relevant and can be removed. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics & Chemistry (B.S.)

Re: [Zope3-dev] What are zope.generic, z3c, ldapauth, et.al.?

2006-07-07 Thread Dominik Huber
Excuse my abscence. I'm a little busy and cannot find the time to track the list daily. Small summary of zope.generic: it's a not-yet-fully-implemented, experimental prototype trying to find a high-level-usage pattern or framework for zope 3. During the easter-sprint I decided to put the code

[Zope3-dev] Re: running tests from src as opposed to an instance

2006-07-07 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Chris Withers wrote: > Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: >> $ svn co .../trunk Zope3 >> $ cd Zope3 >> $ make >> $ python test.py -s zope.i18n > > Ah cool, didn't notice that test.py lived there in Zope 3... > > Now, what about Zope 2, Zope 2 checkouts ship with pretty much the same test.py scrip

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Comment on ITranslationDomain

2006-07-07 Thread Chris Withers
Stephan Richter wrote: On Thursday 06 July 2006 10:31, Chris Withers wrote: Is it still relevant or can it be removed? Yes. Well, that was one of the most useless responses I've ever read ;-) Care to explain what, exactly, you were saying "yes" too? Chris -- Simplistix - Content Managemen

[Zope3-dev] Re: running tests from src as opposed to an instance

2006-07-07 Thread Chris Withers
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: $ svn co .../trunk Zope3 $ cd Zope3 $ make $ python test.py -s zope.i18n Ah cool, didn't notice that test.py lived there in Zope 3... Now, what about Zope 2, more specifically Zope 2 releases for Windows? cheers Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: The bug fixing problem

2006-07-07 Thread Chris Withers
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: I disagree. How would you make sure that your fix for even a "trivial" NameError actually works? Perhaps you introduced another typo in the bugfix? Or perhaps another problem pops up in the same codepath. Clearly, since the NameError didn't occur in any other test

[Zope3-dev] Re: Comment on ITranslationDomain

2006-07-07 Thread Stephan Richter
On Thursday 06 July 2006 10:31, Chris Withers wrote: > Is it still relevant or can it be removed? Yes. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics & Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training