On 12/22/05, Shane Hathaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [Shane]
> >>Are you sure ZCML is The Right Way? I know its purpose (since I helped
> >>invent Zope 3): to combine configurations by multiple developers without
> >>imposing a particular workflow. However, I maintain that Python code could
>
On Thursday 22 December 2005 18:10, Derrick Hudson wrote:
> Some other key features:
> - context-sensitive auto-completion in ZCML
> - understanding of interfaces (pylint)
> - launching and restarting of zope
First note that apidoc uses much more comprehensive, Zope3-specific tools to
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 10:06:08PM +0100, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
[...]
| Yes, I have indeed. Though I was thinking about the development of new
| applications, not about API documentation. Probably this could be done
| with the Eclipse IDE: for instance when creating an adapter, I would
| f
Jim Fulton wrote:
Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
The problem with ZCML is not the language (XML). Writing the same
description in python would not address such issues as:
- when looking at a component, how can I know how it is wired inside
the application without doing a grep on 100 files?
- wh
Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
Shane Hathaway wrote:
...
The problem with ZCML is not the language (XML). Writing the same
description in python would not address such issues as:
- when looking at a component, how can I know how it is wired inside the
application without doing a grep on 100 fi
Chris McDonough wrote:
On Dec 22, 2005, at 12:05 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote:
Time and again people fail to realize that Zope 3 wants to create
the low level framework right first, and only after that add high
level simplifications and shortcuts to have less configuration and
provide fastest
Martin Aspeli wrote:
So it's very refreshing to see Zope 3 without ZCML. I hope the trend
continues.
I think Philipp makes what in my limited understanding is a very good
point here:
http://www.z3lab.org/sections/blogs/philipp-weitershausen/2005_12_14_zcml-needs-to-do-less
Me too.
J
On Thursday 22 December 2005 12:09, Chris McDonough wrote:
> On Dec 22, 2005, at 12:05 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote:
> >> Time and again people fail to realize that Zope 3 wants to create
> >> the low level framework right first, and only after that add high
> >> level simplifications and shortcuts
Hello!
I develop Zope3 wrapper for SQLObject (sqlos-alternative).
Features:
1. you can make multi-level containers tree: ZODB-Folder->SQL
Container->SQL Container ...-> SQL Item
2. zsqlmap use DA-wrapper
[Florent]
Time and again people fail to realize that Zope 3 wants to create
the low level framework right first, and only after that add high
level simplifications and shortcuts to have less configuration and
provide fastest developer exeperience.
Of course people aren't attracted to Zope 3
On 22 Dec 2005, at 18:09, Chris McDonough wrote:
On Dec 22, 2005, at 12:05 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote:
Time and again people fail to realize that Zope 3 wants to create
the low level framework right first, and only after that add high
level simplifications and shortcuts to have less configurati
On Dec 22, 2005, at 12:05 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote:
Time and again people fail to realize that Zope 3 wants to create
the low level framework right first, and only after that add high
level simplifications and shortcuts to have less configuration and
provide fastest developer exeperience.
O
Florent Guillaume wrote:
Shane Hathaway wrote:
Well, I wouldn't say the people I know "can't get past" ZCML. They're
smart, and learning an XML schema is not a big effort. However, for
someone coming from Java frameworks, yet another XML format is a big
mark against Zope, making RoR and oth
Chris McDonough wrote:
Is this code available anywhere or are you still at a state where
you're not ready to release?
It's one of the Z3 base projects:
http://codespeak.net/svn/z3/zopejam/trunk/
It's not ready to release, and I've been busy on other projects lately.
But I find it quite use
[Shane]
Are you sure ZCML is The Right Way? I know its purpose (since I helped
invent Zope 3): to combine configurations by multiple developers without
imposing a particular workflow. However, I maintain that Python code could
do the job better. The Python code I have in mind is not the same a
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Shane Hathaway wrote:
[...]
> However, I maintain that Python code
> could do the job better.
Except it's not its job. Python is a language not a configuration tool.
>> Would it make sense to publish a recommended way to configure Z3 apps
>> comple
Is this code available anywhere or are you still at a state where
you're not ready to release?
On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:01 AM, Shane Hathaway wrote:
Chris McDonough wrote:
I assume this means you've given up on the idea of creating a GUI
ZCML configuration tool, the?
No. In fact, I've bee
Shane Hathaway wrote:
Well, I wouldn't say the people I know "can't get past" ZCML. They're
smart, and learning an XML schema is not a big effort. However, for
someone coming from Java frameworks, yet another XML format is a big
mark against Zope, making RoR and other frameworks much more att
Shane Hathaway wrote:
Wade Leftwich wrote:
If ZCML (a/k/a The Right Way) is keeping fairly smart developers from
trying Z3, then maybe we need an alternative (a/k/a What People Think
They Want).
Are you sure ZCML is The Right Way? I know its purpose (since I
helped invent Zope 3): to comb
*ping* for interest in elaboration on the code you have in mind...
>Are you sure ZCML is The Right Way? I know its purpose (since I helped
>invent Zope 3): to combine configurations by multiple developers without
>imposing a particular workflow. However, I maintain that Python code could
>do the
Chris McDonough wrote:
I assume this means you've given up on the idea of creating a GUI ZCML
configuration tool, the?
No. In fact, I've been creating the tool for the purpose of convincing
myself that ZCML is right, even though I still believe it's wrong. :-)
One thing I've learned from t
I assume this means you've given up on the idea of creating a GUI
ZCML configuration tool, the?
On Dec 22, 2005, at 10:44 AM, Shane Hathaway wrote:
Wade Leftwich wrote:
If ZCML (a/k/a The Right Way) is keeping fairly smart developers from
trying Z3, then maybe we need an alternative (a/k/a W
Wade Leftwich wrote:
If ZCML (a/k/a The Right Way) is keeping fairly smart developers from
trying Z3, then maybe we need an alternative (a/k/a What People Think
They Want).
Are you sure ZCML is The Right Way? I know its purpose (since I helped
invent Zope 3): to combine configurations by mult
On Thursday 22 December 2005 09:23, Martin Aspeli wrote:
> >> So it's very refreshing to see Zope 3 without ZCML. I hope the trend
> >> continues.
>
> I think Philipp makes what in my limited understanding is a very good
> point here:
>
> http://www.z3lab.org/sections/blogs/philipp-weitershausen
So it's very refreshing to see Zope 3 without ZCML. I hope the trend
continues.
I think Philipp makes what in my limited understanding is a very good
point here:
http://www.z3lab.org/sections/blogs/philipp-weitershausen/2005_12_14_zcml-needs-to-do-less
Martin
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Shane Hathaway wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> I have a bunch of coworkers who have coded in Java for a long time and
> are ready to branch out. They're trying out Python, Ruby, C#, etc. They
> want to develop web applications quickly while preserving
> maintainability. I think the best way for them to do t
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