* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
>  I know that some of the guys at Durham think I'm a troll, or just a
> RedHat-baiter. The fact is that the owner of this particular machine runs
> SuSE on his desktop, and installed RH at my recommendation. I truly
> believe that RH (except for 7.0) is the best server option out there for
> most shops. But I also feel that if we, as RedHat proponents, don't do
> the screaming, the rest of the world gets to do it.

Well I don't know what the guys in Durham think of me and frankly I
don't care... until they start paying me it just doesn't matter what
they think... it does, however, matter what I *do* and that's why I
can't continue to be quiet about this!

Most of this thread has been a bit silly but I think someone should
point out (don't mind if I do it) that Red Hat can't seem to win
here! 

For a very, very long time Red Hat has been repeatedly accused of
releasing their distro in an insecure state... sendmail was always
released as an open relay, telnet was enabled by default, many,
many, many ports were left open to the world by default. So... in
response to this valid criticism Red Hat has now started doing the
exact opposite...  they now release with default configurations in a
secure posture. I think it's important to note that in (my own
non-scientific estimate) 100% of the cases the previous
critique/accusation was being made by people who *are* capable of
fixing/locking down their own machines. The newbies don't care...
they just get owned and didn't know the difference anyway! So now
that the problem has been fixed does that mean that the same class
of people get to criticize Red Hat for *fixing* the problems they
were previously being bitched out for? I don't think so.

For my part I welcome the changes... hopefully there will now be
fewer owned machines out there and I really don't mind having to
tweak a few things to get what I want... Hell... it's been at least
7 years since I've accepted a default install of anything anyway...
:-)

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