I dont like RSA without passwords caus if your machine gets compromised, the
attacker would have root access to another machines in your network.
When I needed automated scripting using ssh and scp I used this programming
language called EXPECT, perl includes a module that implements the expect
language. It goes something like this:

exec ssh myhost "commands" (could be scp myfile myhost:path)
expect yes/no
send yes\r
expect assword
send my_password

Just to make the figure.

It worked quite well,but if one host goes down and you dont include error
exception it may get stuck in the middle of the script. Still better than
keys.

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De: Trevor Cushen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Enviada em: terça-feira, 8 de outubro de 2002 12:24
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Assunto: Is SSH worth it??


Many thanks to those that answered and all excellent answers that I will
use in my argument to the customer.
A few interesting points came up also.  Ettercap and dsniff were
mentioned and duly noted as I have used them before and should have left
out the part about sniffing a switched network in my question.  Another
point was raised that the access needed to sniff should be removed first
and foremost (Brad Arlt I think).  Most definantely and it has as much
as possible.  Physical security to the building and any access points is
quite strong.  No external access connections are part of this segment
of the network so external attacks getting in is a low possiblity (but
yes possible I suppose so can't be ruled out)
I want to go SSH and have the encryption but the work involved is hard
to justify to the customer (because the work is their side, as in
rewrite the scripts).  The argument that Ettercap claims to break SSH
must also be throw into the mix here too.
I could use stunnel if I just wanted encryption????

Here is another spanner in the works and I hope I am corrected on this
because I want to be wrong here.

We would be using SSH and SCP.  SCP for automated scripts.  To get
scripts automated my understanding is that the best security in this
scenerio is use RSA authentication only.  Thus no password request when
I do 'scp host:file filedst'.  But then does that mean that my SSH
client will not be prompted for a password.  In that case accountability
is at the machine level.  If I am wrong please inform me gently as I
have only started looking at this in ernest.  Yes I can go rhosts
authentication but that defeats the purpose to a large degree as rhost
files is what we want to get them away from.

I am currently installing a SCO machine, Solaris machine and NT machine
to set all this up and emulate the site as much as possible.  I will
post the final result in time.

Thanks again for the feedback.

Trevor Cushen
Sysnet Ltd

www.sysnet.ie
Tel: +353 1 2983000
Fax: +353 1 2960499


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