With IP Spoofing there is no need to guess the sequence number since there is no 
session currently open with that IP address. The way that the traffic would get back 
to you is by using source routing. This is where you tell the network how to route the 
output and input from a session, then you simply sniff it from the network as it 
passes by you. But you have to make sure you put in a route that will both reach its 
destination and pass through your own network.

As far as guessing the sequence numbering for session high-jacking, I really have no 
idea, but there are programs that will attempt to guess these for you. The one I am 
thinking of (whose name escapes me at the time) will allow you to watch a session, 
reset a session, or hijack it.

Hope some of this helps.

Jeff


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On 11/19/2002 at 11:33 AM LEHMANN, TODD wrote:

>I have read some documentation on IP Spoofing, and from what I have read,
>it
>sounds like you must determine the sequence number of the host before you
>can spoof. However, I don't understand why you would have to determine the
>sequence if you are creating a new session with the host under a false IP.
>Wouldn't the creation of the new TCP session negotiate the sequence number
>at that time?
>
>I also failed to understand how the traffic gets back to you if you are
>telling it to respond to another host. Can someone shine some light on this
>for me?
>
>When it comes to session high-jacking, how does one go about determining
>the
>sequence number on a host that uses a random number seed to create the
>sequence? Is it some form of complex algorithms or is it just impossible
>unless you create the session?
>
>Todd Lehmann
>Systems Analyst I
>VPN Subject Matter Expert




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