On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:43:42 +0100 Pedro Melo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi, > > On Aug 23, 2008, at 3:50 PM, Pavel Simerda wrote: > > > On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:21:55 +0200 > > Johansson Olle E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Ok, I'll try to summarize a bit. With all these very technichal > >> mails flowing around, > >> I might have missed something, so please add/correct/flame as > >> needed > >> > >> > >> - The issue at hand is "how to set up a secure connection between > >> two XMPP clients". > >> Assume that we do have the ability to set up sessions through a > >> network of XMPP > >> servers or by using the same server and need to move from that > >> channel to a secure > >> channel - end to end. > > > > Btw, is it really necessary to set up secure connections through > > servers? If it is a session, why not IP to IP (peer-too-peer)? > > True. The text should be "through a XMPP network". This will include > P2P XMPP sessions using XEP-0174. Ok. This is not the wording I care about so much. But the e2e nature of connections suggest the c2c over c2s-s2c has no real advantages as a default choice. > > Or does is the centralization plague of the internet around servers > > so severe that nobody considers direct connections? > > big bad conspiracy theory. The servers are out there. I don't see any conspiracy. XMPP with servers is a natural choice as you need to store your data somewhere and share one account for many places and application. I would just stick with c2s only where it's appropriate. > go easy. its just that the usual XMPP connections are c2s, so we > assume the presence of the server most of the time. Nothing against > p2p xmpp, really. If you mean a server-less XMPP on the internet (not link-local), I believe it would be an interesting experiment. But in practice... a local Jabber server seems good enough, at least for people with domain names. I am more interested in security features and p2p features of the otherwise server-centric XMPP network. Cheers, Pavel > Best regards, -- Web: http://www.pavlix.net/ Jabber & Mail: pavlix(at)pavlix.net OpenID: pavlix.net
