I have no other thoughts personally, but maybe someone else does. -Yaron On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Alex Le Bek <[email protected]>wrote:
> 'Regular' users can be either wikitext familiar or completely computer > phobic. There needs to be both options simultaneously although I take your > point that there may an opportunity to make the 'edit' tab less obvious - > but I can't hide this functionality altogether. A way to use both would be > so nice and would really help leverage the value of semantic forms whilst > still leaving full edit available (we could make everybody happy). Users > really want to enhance the articles but don't want to be totaly abandoned. > Any other thoughts? Thanks. > > > Alex > > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Yaron Koren <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The most obvious solution to your problem is to hide the "edit" tab for >> regular users, for pages that have an "edit with form" tab - there's >> generally no reason for regular users to have both options, and this would >> prevent unwanted non-template text from showing up. >> -Yaron >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Alex Le Bek >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >>>>>a new template field that holds whatever you wanted the free text >>> As I understand it though this wouldn't pick up any additional content >>> the user might have added directly through the 'edit' tab? >>> >>> Would it be possible to collect up any non form content from an article >>> and stuff it in a special field so as I can then refer to that field by name >>> in the underlying template - I could then layout the free text with the rest >>> of the css behind the form templates. Has this been thought through many >>> times before? >>> >>> This would have the added advantage that if users interspersed (through >>> direct 'edit') the article form template content with stuff I could gather >>> it up during 'edit with form' and put it where I want it. Any help in how >>> form derived content and free text content can be equally well managed >>> during page layout is going to be a challenge for us as we have both kinds >>> of users to please. I still suspect I have misunderstood something? >>> >>> Alex >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Yaron Koren <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> No, by its nature free text can't be queried, or formatted. The most >>>> obvious solution I can think of is to do away with the free text and create >>>> a new template field that holds whatever you wanted the free text to be >>>> used >>>> for. >>>> -Yaron >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Alex Le Bek <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ok - but is there a way for me to css position it explicitly eg a >>>>> {{{free text}}} param to refer to? Otherwise it seems like I am leaving a >>>>> lot to chance for a very important part of the article content. Users are >>>>> really enthusiastic about Semantic forms and all it brings them - but also >>>>> don't want to sacrifice the freedom to add their own non prescriptive >>>>> content. Many thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Alex >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Yaron Koren <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> Well, if the layout is correct in the wiki text, then it's not a >>>>>> Semantic Forms issue; it's an HTML/CSS issue of one kind or another. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Yaron >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 2:41 AM, Alex Le Bek < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Yaron, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am on SF 1.4.1, SMW 1.3, MW 1.13.0 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The free text sentence is where I thought it should be in the >>>>>>> generated wikitext : >>>>>>> {{X >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>> }} >>>>>>> My other thoughts are [[Top tip::Eat well and sleep well]] >>>>>>> {{Y >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>> }} >>>>>>> >>>>>>> so I can't see why it doesn't sit in the flow of the document but nor >>>>>>> can I see how to control it's position properly. Is this what I should >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> doing (in principle) to pick up any extra article content - for >>>>>>> example, to >>>>>>> manage content added via 'edit' to a page which also contains form >>>>>>> generated >>>>>>> content' ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Many thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Yaron Koren <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> That doesn't sound good... though I really should have asked a more >>>>>>>> basic question, which is: in the wiki source of that page, does the >>>>>>>> free >>>>>>>> text sentence also show up before both templates? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And if so, what version of SF are you using? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Yaron >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Alex Le Bek < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Yaron, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for coming back to me on this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have the Form:F: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> {{{for template|X...}}} >>>>>>>>> some stuff >>>>>>>>> {{{end template}}} >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> {| >>>>>>>>> |'''Other content for this article''' >>>>>>>>> |- >>>>>>>>> |{{{standard input|free text}}} >>>>>>>>> |} >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> {{{for template|Y...}}} >>>>>>>>> some stuff >>>>>>>>> {{{end template}}} >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Template:X which generates the html is like this: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <div class="MainInfobox"> >>>>>>>>> ...asserts all the semantics etc in the form... >>>>>>>>> </div> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On the form I enter this text into free text: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 'My other thoughts are [[Top tip::Eat well and sleep well]]' >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the actual HTML of the generated page I get this : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <p><br /> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My other thoughts are Eat well and sleep well >>>>>>>>> </p><p><br /> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> </p> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <div class="MainInfobox" style="margin-bottom:3px;">...</div> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How does the free text know where to go? I thought it might end up >>>>>>>>> floating about under the div but before the contents of Template:Y are >>>>>>>>> generated. Have I missed a way to say where it should be as with an >>>>>>>>> ordinary field? I now realize I don't understand the purpose of free >>>>>>>>> text - >>>>>>>>> couldn't I just use a {{{field...|input type=textarea}}} ? Sorry for >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> basic question but I need to be sure I have the 'free text' facility >>>>>>>>> correctly available on a site which has become(for good reason!) very >>>>>>>>> forms >>>>>>>>> driven. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Yaron Koren <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> Can you clarify: does the free-text input appear in the wrong >>>>>>>>>> place in the HTML itself, or only in the page where the HTML is >>>>>>>>>> rendered? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Yaron >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:53 AM, Alex Le Bek < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I cannot see a way to control the position of the {{{standard >>>>>>>>>>> input| free text}}} content. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> {{{standard input| free text}}} is positioned in my form (after >>>>>>>>>>> an {{{end template}}} and before the next {{{for template...}}} >>>>>>>>>>> but appears >>>>>>>>>>> at the top of the resulting page content and outside of the >>>>>>>>>>> containing div. >>>>>>>>>>> Is there a way to refer to this content in the template and >>>>>>>>>>> explicitly lay >>>>>>>>>>> it out? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Semantic Forms" group. 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