On 29/09/2007, S Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm responding, but I don't have the answers. > > Jeff Thompson wrote: > > What are the plans in Semantic Mediawiki to capture citations? I ask > > because, > > for a "cited by" property, the subject is not the article, but a particular > > assertion made within the article. > > > > For example the article for Germany: > > http://ontoworld.org/wiki/Germany > > says it has > > [[area::357,050km²]] > > > > This might be followed by a citation link to the World Factbook, but the > > link is not > > connected in a semantic way. > > N-ary relations in 1.0 pre-alpha let you create [[Property:Area]] with > multiple types [[has type::Area; URI]] , and then you can say > has area [[area::357,050km² ; > https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gm.html]] > > The second value is optional. > > I made Property:Area_test Try it, > http://ontoworld.org/wiki/Sandbox#Area_with_citation > > This currently exports in RDF as:, > > <property:Area_test-23m-26sup2-3B-3B> > <smw:nary1 > rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#float";>357050000000</smw:nary1> > <smw:nary2 > rdf:datatype="">https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gm.html</smw:nary2> > </property:Area_test-23m-26sup2-3B-3B> > > The area type has units m², I think that's why they become an encoded > part of the property name (#m²;). Within this property, you just > have to know that the second value is a citation. > > If you don't like the display format then you could use a template that > provides alternate text after '|'. > > There might be a way to tie into Mediawiki's reference support > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Footnotes) so that the citation > appears in a footnote. I think <ref> information is structural rather > than semantic.
Can you expand on this a bit? I am not sure what you mean. > > You might add a property inside the assertion like this: > > > > [[area::357,050km² [[cited > > by::https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gm.html]] > > ]] > > That won't work. Nor can you have the citation in the alternate display > text after '|'. 1.0 seems to better support wiki formatting in the > displayed text, but not a nested property. > > > If not this, then are there plans to formally capture citations? > > I don't know. People on this mailing list have discussed the > limitations of n-ary relations as a collection of types rather than > nested properties. I would really like to see some 'proper' support for citations in MW (or SMW). I think the biggest current problem is that a citation is not an 'independent object', but is always found in ad-hoc associations with facts. I think the fact source (the citation) should exist in the wiki as a separate page (object) with several internal relations, such as 'is paper' and 'in journal' etc. etc. In this way a fact is linked to a citation object, possibly along with a comment describing the nature of the link. I am still learning about SMW stuff, so please slap me if the above looks dumb. I am planning to integrate some 'deep' citation support here; http://introductome.org/ But for the time being its just an advert for wish-list functionality. Dan. > > Hope this helps, > -- > =S Page > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-devel mailing list > Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel > -- hello ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
