Hi Yaron!
I don't know neither if 'textarea+uploadable' makes a lot of sense nor if
it's used by anyone. Let us forget for a minute about textarea+uploadable
and focus on text+uploadable. I think it's possible to create a "input
type=uploadable" that will be inherited from "input type=text" and will
have all autocompletion functons.
Yury Katkov, WikiVote
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Yaron Koren <ya...@wikiworks.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm turning this into another thread, since I think it's unrelated to the
> original topic - I believe the namespace issue is the same regardless of
> the form field syntax.
>
> I think it makes sense to keep it as "uploadable" instead of turning it
> into a separate input type, because it can have all the variations of
> standard text inputs - it can be either a "text" or a "textarea" field, it
> can have all the autocompletion options, etc. There's nothing that says
> that every value that goes into an "uploadable" field has to be uploaded
> with that form; so autocompletion may be useful there.
>
> -Yaron
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Yury Katkov <katkov.ju...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> The current implementation seems weird for me too. It's very clear that
>> 'uploadable' is a distinct form input and not the parameter of some other
>> form input. What was the rational behind that?
>> -----
>> Yury Katkov, WikiVote
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Jamie Thingelstad
>> <ja...@thingelstad.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Just to throw out an alternative suggestion since we are on the topic.
>>> What about handling uploadable fields as there own input type? We currently
>>> have:
>>>
>>> {{{field|Image|uploadable|image preview|default=Default website
>>> image.png}}}
>>>
>>> what if it was something like:
>>>
>>> {{{field|Image|input type=upload|preview|default=Default website
>>> image.png}}}
>>>
>>> It is nice to be able to reuse the generic input type for pages for
>>> uploadable content, but, I could see optimizations. Some thoughts:
>>>
>>>
>>> - This would allow the File namespace to be prepended automatically
>>> if so desired, considering it a different input type.
>>> - It could allow (in the future) for a more pleasant upload
>>> experience than the current iframe of the upload form (one of the most
>>> confusing aspects of MediaWiki for new users in my experience).
>>> - It could allow new things like "this must be a PDF" with "require
>>> filetype=pdf" or something.
>>>
>>>
>>> Just an idea. It "feels" like a good direction to me. And backwards
>>> compatibility could be maintained for some period of time.
>>> Jamie Thingelstad <http://www.thingelstad.com/>
>>> ja...@thingelstad.com
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>>>
>>> On May 8, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Yaron Koren <ya...@wikiworks.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I suppose that's true... although in practice I've never seen values get
>>> prepended with anything other than a namespace. You could have a field
>>> containing all subpage names, of course, but I've never seen that done, and
>>> on a "semantic" level it doesn't really make sense to do that. On the other
>>> hand, maybe that simpler wording would be clearer for users.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Yury Katkov <katkov.ju...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> > And also given that, a single checkbox that says "Uploadable?"
>>>> probably wouldn't be enough - the better option would probably be to have a
>>>> new form input for each template field (in the "Edit schema" form) that
>>>> said something like "This field always links to pages in this namespace
>>>> (leave blank if none): _____".
>>>>
>>>> Hmm. The caption you've proposed is only about namespaces now. What
>>>> about: "Prepend the field value with the following text" ? This way we will
>>>> broad the usecase further.
>>>> -----
>>>> Yury Katkov, WikiVote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Yaron Koren <ya...@wikiworks.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Yury,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, that's what I was proposing before, but I'm no longer proposing
>>>>> it. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> -Yaron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Yury Katkov <katkov.ju...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yaron, I reread your idea but I'm not sure that I got it right
>>>>>> Do you propose to automatically add "File:" text in the beginning of
>>>>>> uploaded filename like here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/MU31Tw9.png
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>> Yury Katkov, WikiVote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Jamie Thingelstad <
>>>>>> ja...@thingelstad.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Yaron,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree that having to add the namespace in the template is
>>>>>>> confusing, but my initial reaction to adding "File:" if it is set to
>>>>>>> uploadable is no. Perhaps I'm being overly pedantic, but I think of a
>>>>>>> property for a page that is targeting a different namespace, most
>>>>>>> commonly
>>>>>>> I see this with a User page. If you have a field that you
>>>>>>> "default=current
>>>>>>> user" you need to add the namespace to that to link back to the user
>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>> I realize that's a little apples and oranges, but still comes to mind
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> me. Or "values from namespace=" which if I'm remembering right doesn't
>>>>>>> prepend the namespace, also requiring the template to add it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, perhaps it is worth considering more sweeping changes that add
>>>>>>> namespace clarification to a lot of things, but that would probably just
>>>>>>> introduce equal confusion the other way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My $0.02.
>>>>>>> Jamie Thingelstad <http://www.thingelstad.com/>
>>>>>>> ja...@thingelstad.com
>>>>>>> mobile: 612-810-3699
>>>>>>> find me on AIM Twitter <http://twitter.com/thingles>
>>>>>>> Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/thingles>
>>>>>>> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jthingelstad>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 7, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Yaron Koren <ya...@wikiworks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What about my suggestion?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm also curious if anyone else has an opinion on having
>>>>>>> "uploadable" fields add the "File:" to file names. This would be a
>>>>>>> somewhat
>>>>>>> big change, so people may have opinions on it one way or another.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Yury Katkov
>>>>>>> <katkov.ju...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For now I can just add some lines of code to the form generator: if
>>>>>>>> uploadable option is here it will generate [[property::File:filename]]
>>>>>>>> instead of just [[property::filename]].
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've proposed checkbox solution because of the folowing. In my
>>>>>>>> opinion Page Schemas can be great visual tool to edit forms and
>>>>>>>> templates
>>>>>>>> very quicky. Now the editing of the schema slows because I have to
>>>>>>>> look up
>>>>>>>> tag parameters. More buttons, dropdowns and checkboxes could speed up
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> editing process.
>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>> Yury Katkov, WikiVote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Yaron Koren
>>>>>>>> <ya...@wikiworks.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Yury,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hm, that's true... I hadn't thought of that. Some checkbox could
>>>>>>>>> be added to the Page Schemas form, but maybe the better solution is
>>>>>>>>> just to
>>>>>>>>> have uploadable fields in SF start adding a "File:" to the beginning
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> file names they've uploaded. It's something that various people have
>>>>>>>>> asked
>>>>>>>>> about, but I never took that seriously - I liked the "cleanliness" of
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> including the namespace, and just having the file name. But maybe that
>>>>>>>>> cleanliness is more trouble than it's worth - I know that, even
>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>> this Page Schemas issue, the fact that a "File:" needs to be added to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> template has caused a considerable amount of confusion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The main counter-argument might be that this approach is already
>>>>>>>>> in place on a lot of wikis, so making a change to the upload setup
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> require people to change a lot of existing pages; but then again,
>>>>>>>>> backward-compatibility can't be a reason to never make a change, and
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Replace Text extension might be able to help with that sort of thing
>>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Yaron
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Yury Katkov <
>>>>>>>>> katkov.ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Yaron, all!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's possible now to create uploadable fields in forms via
>>>>>>>>>> PageSchemas: we just create a Page property and specifily the field
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> uploadable in additional paramerest. There is however an issue.
>>>>>>>>>> When I generate the templates I need the File namespace to be
>>>>>>>>>> added in front of the filename:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [[someproperty::File:MyCoolPicture.jpg]]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Instead I have the following:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [[someproperty::MyCoolPicture.jpg]]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and my image not appears on the page.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yaron, what's your advice on how to better handle that in a
>>>>>>>>>> PageSchemas if I want to add this feature? What about adding a
>>>>>>>>>> checkbox
>>>>>>>>>> "uploadable" to the Field definition?
>>>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>>> Yury Katkov, WikiVote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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