Hi John, By "game", I assume you're referring to what is usually called "workflow". It's true that MediaWiki could have much better support for defining workflow - there's no reason why requesting a page deletion on Wikipedia should require three steps, for instance - but I don't think you'd need to have any sort of workflow framework to have better access control; MediaWiki just needs to more consistently respect existing read permissions.
-Yaron On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 11:59 AM, John McClure <jmccl...@hypergrove.com> wrote: > Hi Yaron and others > I've long thought an essential grounding semantic model is based on the > concept of a 'story' what with a resource itself only telling half the > story about something (ie open wolrd assumption); stories are a good fit > with the wiki model as each page is a 'topic' each tells a story. The > challenge has been to extract semantic properties that reflect the > whats,who,whys,whens,wheres,etc that the story is or is about. > > But I think an equally good grounding model is based on the concept of a > 'game' -- many things, even wikis, can be characterized this way to good > effect. It models things like teams, players, referees, moves and most > particularly, rules. The challenge then is to apply semantics during > applications of rules and strategies in response to one or more player > moves. Game theory in vitro, ya know. > > It would be interesting if a semantic wiki were structured to operate > games in general (plus of course its own 'wiki-game'). Over time patterns > of games (and of strategies) would surface -- selected by an admin for a > wiki's operation, or by users wishing to create or initiate some knid of > 'game' (eg shopping) of their own or to join a game in progress. A 'service > orchestration' might be involved, bounded by rules. A 'game' wiki does > things like create virtual users who participate (or referee or act as > agents) during life of the game. It could establish new rules on the fly, > maintain scoring, notify participants, manage the audience, collect tickets > and so on. It could radically shorten the time to field customized games by > organizations and individuals. > > 'Games' I hope could also bring about *intrawikis*, that is wikis within > a wiki, each game with an ACL. Doing this sort of thing I'd expect to make > smw more than just the database application it sometimes appears to be, one > whose mission is vulnerable to other semantic database applications I can > think of. At some point, SemanticMediaWiki should put semantics INTO > mediawiki, not just extract semantic properties from mediawiki pages. We > seem prevented though by a common distaste to modify mediawiki core and > hence, paralyzed. > > best/john > > On 7/9/2014 7:09 PM, Yaron Koren wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Peter Brooks <peter.bro...@kchclinics.com > > wrote: > >> I'm trying to think about this in a more semantic way. >> >> Surely, part of the point of semantics is to allow rules to be governed >> by them. >> >> If I could create a property, say '[[page_visibility::group_X]]' then >> it would make sense for the wiki to understand, from that, that the >> rule for this property would be found on the property page >> 'page_visibility' and it could apply those rules to group_X. Does that >> make sense? >> > > I disagree with this - I've stated this opinion before on these mailing > lists, but it's important to differentiate between data that applies to the > real world, and data that applies to the wiki. The fact that "Ulysses" was > written by James Joyce is real-world data; the fact that the page on the > wiki about "Ulysses" should only be editable or viewable by some people is > wiki-specific data. In my opinion, SMW only has an obligation to handle the > former: in some cases, it does handle the latter (like all of the special > properties relating to page creation), but I view that strictly as a bonus, > not an integral part of the software. > > I don't mean to derail this thread - other people may have more of an > opinion on the technical specifics - but I just wanted to note that. > > -Yaron > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Semediawiki-devel mailing list > Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel > > -- WikiWorks · MediaWiki Consulting · http://wikiworks.com
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