There is a striking overlap in capability between the DPL extension
<http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=Dynamic_Page_List> of
MediaWiki and the Semantic Media Wiki. Chief among these are:
1. Both rely on metadata to add a structural foundation to an important
subset of Wiki page content
2. The structured content sits in a metadata-based data store of some
kind
3. The data store can be queried to dynamically generate web pages
I would go so far as to say that these are [possibly by far] the MAIN
advantages of both.
This raises some important questions:
1. What is the added value of the Semantic Media Wiki extension
when I can do so much of the same kind of thing with DPL?
2. Does DPL give you 80% of what the semantic media wiki offers w/
20% of the effort?
3. How can I argue to my customers that a semantic wiki is really
necessary, when we have things like DPL?
4. What are the pros and cons and tradeoffs of each approach, when
viewed as alternatives?
5. Is there a way to merge the extensions so there are not two
implementation of fundamentally similar functionality?
Any thoughts?
Thanks
Michael
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From: Uschold, Michael F
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 5:57 PM
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Adding to my earlier comment...
It is interesting that you have just done this, despite numerous
arguments about why/how it could not or should not be done. I was never
competent to evaluate those arguments from a programmer/ software
engineer's perspective, but I never bought them from a user perspective.
This raises some questions:
* how to you address those arguments? (from past forum entries)
* are there any tradeoffs from a user or developer's perspective? (which
in a sense patially validate those arguments)
Thanks
Michael
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FANTASTIC! Kudos to you for figuring out a way to do this.
Here's an idea: why not integrate the triples viewing capabilities of
Similes' Exhibit (http://simile.mit.edu/exhibit/) into the bottom of the
Semantic Media Wiki page as an alternative to the table of triples.
Possibly as a link to a separate window, or possibly embedded into the
wiki page itself (which may be much harder).
Michael
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I've now created a test site for a semantic MediaWiki that lets you put
the triple (x,R,y) anywhere, not just on page x:
http://semarbtri.kgprog.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
The code is available:
http://semarbtri.kgprog.com/SemArbTri.txt
The syntax for a triple is "[[x::R::y]]" (or just "[[R::y]]" if you're
already on page x).
Broken things I'd like help with:
% When editing an existing page, all the semantic info vanishes.
Compare:
http://semarbtri.kgprog.com/wiki/index.php/The_Light_Fantastic
http://semarbtri.kgprog.com/wiki/index.php?title=The_Light_Fantastic&act
ion=edit
The first page has semantic info, the second doesn't. My extension does
have a "in edit mode, don't display semantic data" comment + some
supporting code, but commenting out this code doesn't help.
% When editing a new page, semantic info is visible, but unformatted:
http://semarbtri.kgprog.com/wiki/index.php?title=Wizard&action=edit
% If I try to protect against spammers by adding this to
LocalSettings.php:
$wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false;
the semantic info disappears when you're viewing new (non-existent)
pages. I've commented this setting out for now (so I can't give an
example page of where this happens), but I'd like to get this fixed.
% Minor: my code breaks the "nowiki" tag (so the main page says
"((x::R::y))" instead of "[[x::R::y]]" when giving an example)
% Minor: weird empty semantic triple at the bottom of some pages:
http://semarbtri.kgprog.com/wiki/index.php/Troll
(am I doing the MySQL SELECT wrong?)
% These are the "big" errors. There are many smaller errors + lots of
features I want to add.
Any volunteers? No CVS or anything yet (the sf.net page is not
up-to-date), but please send suggestions/code improvements.
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