And what did those healthcare professionals do before the protocol. They 
applied what they knew and what they thought was best for the patient with the 
information at hand. Once the protocol was developed it gave a consistent model 
to follow that saved lives. I have watched it work on many occassions.
Each physician still has the ability to use his or her knowledge base and 
experience to treat the patient but having a tested model that can be initiated 
even by prehospital personnel will, in my humble opinion continue to save the 
patients from an ever increasing killer.
The longer we continue to bicker and pick it apart the more people are going to 
succumb to sepsis. We need to all be on the same page.

Jeffrey R Hanlon RN
Stamp Out Sepsis
 



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Ron, I agree with you. It is not any
individual part of the protocol that makes the difference. It is early
recognition, appropriate antibiotic and fluid management altogether. In
addition, the end goal must be tailored to the individual patient.

Jeffrey, protocols do not save lives,
health care professionals do.

Riad Cachecho,MD,MBA

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Crozer Chester Medical Center

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Subject: Re: [Sepsis Groups] SSC
guidelines

All I can say is the
protocol has and continues to save lives!

Jeffrey R Hanlon RN

Stamp Out Sepsis

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To: Joan Greene 

Cc: sepsisgroups 

Sent: Thu, Dec 15, 2011 3:46 am

Subject: Re: [Sepsis Groups] SSC guidelines

Hi Joan,

My views (for what they're worth):

 Key issue is ScvO2 as sole indicator of O2
     delivery. Agree other modalities of assessment of volume responsiveness
     and O2 delivery have equal or greater role, but I believe answer lies in a
     colleciton of clinical information: dangerous for anyone to run too fast
     with a single modality!
 CVC is necessary for a majority of these patients
     for pressors/ tropes anyway. The authors don't argue against CVC but
     against over-reliance on CVP and ScvO2. Pragmatically, we need to build a
     larger picture: we assimilate informaiton from multiple sources to build
     our picture
 Slight concerns with article. It confuses septic
     shock with severe sepsis which is not helpful or appropriate (see criteria
     fig 1). Referencing is somewhat author-centric

Summary: Don't let this
hold you back. EDs get excited about EGDT and forget the basics. Let's try not
to get hung up on individual modalities (esp until we have ARISE/ ProCESS/
ProMISe) but recognise and intervene quickly using the monitoring strategies we
have to hand and an assimilation of information. Rivers' protocol is good- and
probbetter than random care- but no-one ever suggested it was the
ultimate answer!

What do others think?

kind regards

Ron

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Joan Greene <[email protected]> wrote: 

Has anyone else received push-back in their early goal-directed therapy
protocols after the attached article was published? We recently
implemented the SSC guidelines for EGDT in our hospital by using a screening
algorithm to activate a sepsis response team. The response team follows
the 6-hour bundle. Now, we have some physicians who want to revisit the
need for a central line based on this article. The bundle cannot be
followed without a central line to measure the CVP and/or ScvO2 monitoring.
I would appreciate any comments. Thank you. 

Joan Greene

San Diego

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