Stuart/Dr Hess,

 

Sorry for the delay in response. We continue to use the ICD10 400-codes
for identification of  sepsis at any point in their stay (so on
admitting diagnosis, any transfer point and on discharge), though this
is different from the ED diagnostic coding as our ED and admission
systems are not connected. We have done some work with the coding team
to ensure that if sepsis is documented in the notes this will be
captured on coding. 

As a result of this we have monthly data on all sepsis coded patients,
which we still think is significantly under-reported, but it's
relatively consistent every month, and is routinely about 3 times the
level of events/deaths reported on HSMR (UK national mortality data).

 

In terms of ED, we have an electronic system (EDIS), which we have been
able to manipulate to include multiple sepsis codes - so they can be
found if staff enter through a 'systems' diagnosis (e.g. urinary,
respiratory) of directly under a 'sepsis' group - to include
'respiratory sepsis', 'abdominal sepsis', 'severe sepsis-any source'
etc.  

This has made undertaking a retrospective analysis of all sepsis cases
much more simple, though of course it is dependent on staff spotting the
septic patient!!

 

 

Heather McClelland

Nurse Consultant - Emergency Care

Calderdale & Huddersfield NHS Foundation Trust

Tel: 07766905556

From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stuart
Nuttall
Sent: 12 April 2012 21:07
To: Hess, Dr. Donald
Cc: '[email protected]'
Subject: Re: [Sepsis Groups] Sepsis & severe sepsis: A primary or
secondarydiagnosis?

 

Hi Dr Hess,

 

I would certainly agree although appreciate there may be UK/US
differences

 

I've been involved in conducting the College of Emergency Medicine
Sepsis Audit for our ED this spring.  Trying to identify the patients
retrospectively through coding (either hospital or ED coding systems)
failed to generate any meaningful data.

 

In my opinion, given the current coding systems in use, prospective
identification of these patients using a screening tool in the ED may be
more reliable. This is then retained when the patient leaves the ED.
These patients can then be audited.  I'm aware that for this method
patients will still slip though the net and the diagnosis may become
more apparent once they have hit the ward but it does seem to be an
improvement on just using coding. 

 

I think I remember someone mentioning on this list last year that they
chase up all patients through the ED (possibly hospital) who had blood
cultures or raised WCC's to try and ensure capture of as many patients
as possible - more thorough but more time consuming I guess.  Would be
interested to hear what other departments do.

 

Regards

 

Dr Stuart Nuttall

Consultant in Emergency Medicine Leeds Teaching Hospitals.

 

On 12 Apr 2012, at 13:09, Hess, Dr. Donald wrote:





After reading a recent article in the April 4, 2012 issue of JAMA
(Lindauer PK, et al, Association of Diagnostic Coding With Trends in
Hospitalizations and Mortality of Patients With Pneumonia, 2003-2009 -
http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/307/13/1405.full), I decided to look at
my institution's administrative data regarding the number of
hospitalizations in the past 4 years that were coded with the ICD9# for
either sepsis or severe sepsis as the primary diagnosis. There were
none. Zero.  I have long suspected that one obstacle to diagnosing
sepsis or severe sepsis is that most physicians (and perhaps coders,
too) regard it as a secondary diagnosis. That sepsis is always secondary
to something else...not a primary diagnosis that represents a final
common pathway due to a number of different causes. There are likely a
number of other cognitive factors related to the avoidance of diagnosing
sepsis and severe sepsis as a primary diagnosis. But evidently
physicians & coders at other institutions are doing it. I look forward
to your comments.  

Regards, 

Dr. Don Hess 

 

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