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Ron (D)

On 2/7/13, Taylor, Barbara A <[email protected]> wrote:
> In the data collection tool we utilized we asked if there was a working
> diagnosis of Severe Sepsis or Septic shock at the time of admission for ED
> Admit? Y/N
> If No, then was Severe Sepsis or Septic shock a working diagnosis during
> hospitalization? Y/N –Collecting this date and time.
> Our hospital sepsis team was composed of ED, Infection Specialist and
> Critical Care Intensivist – they would discuss the cases that seemed
> questionable and determine what was the most appropriate course for patient.
> There were times when it was thought no they are specific such as in the
> patient with dementia who presents with slight change in MS (based upon
> family input) or patients with chronic disease such as COPD or CHF.
> Any cases that were placed on the Sepsis bundle orders in less than 24 hours
> of ED admission were sent for ED Peer review to determine if there was a
> miss or delay. In addition, in house cases that appeared to be a miss were
> sent for review by the Infection Specialist on our team.
>
> From: Ron Elkin [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 7:15 PM
> To: Crittenden, Andrea L
> Cc: Hunter, Patricia; Taylor, Barbara A; Ron Daniels;
> [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Sepsis Groups] Time Zero
>
> I believe SSC defines Time Zero as "triage time" for ED patients and "time
> of diagnosis" for patients elsewhere in the hospital.
> In support of ED triage time, one would argue that it is a simple, easily
> determined time in all hospitals and avoids the inevitable endless,debate
> about the accuracy of time of  diagnosis. The counter-argument has been that
> this definition will not account for and will unduly penalize those
> confronting patients with true delays in development of the syndrome after
> arrival in ED. The clarity of triage time has prevailed as the standard. The
> expectation is that both iatrogenic and true delays in diagnosis will haunt
> us all and the closer we can push initiation of treatment to the
> indisputable time of triage, the better the outcome expected at each
> center.
>
> From a quality improvement perspective, however, it seems unreasonable to
> expect caregivers to act appropriately before arriving at a working
> diagnosis of severe sepsis or septic shock. For this reason, our center
> chose to examine two questions, each with different implications for
> improving performance:
> 1) Did the working diagnosis trigger appropriate and timely therapy? If not,
> specific protocol, personnel, and systems issues must be examined and
> corrected.
> 2) Was the working diagnosis timely,or was it delayed due to
> nurse/physician/systems error? If delayed, distinctly different issues must
> be examined. A delayed diagnosis may fall into 3 categories:
>          i) Potential delay - example: someone with SIRS and a potential
> source of infection with delayed testing for later-documented organ
> dysfunction.
>         ii) Real delay - example: organ dysfunction was timely documented
> but not recognized as severe sepsis.
>        iii) Both i and ii.
> .
> I can't recall literature addressing this, but we estimate delay in
> diagnosis in roughly 20% of our patients due to error.  The analysis has
> helped us better categorize and address our problems.
> On a different note, it is well established that about 15% of patients with
> severe sepsis or septic shock lack 2 or more signs of SIRS. These are
> largely elderly and/or immunosuppressed patients. SIRS remains an important
> screening tool, but when absent, severe sepsis must still be considered a
> potential cause of unexplained organ dysfunction - in apparent contradiction
> of consensus definitions.
> My $0.02
> Ron Elkin MD
> California Pacific Medical Center
> San Francisco, CA
>
>
>
>
> :
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Crittenden, Andrea L
> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
> wrote:
> We use ICD-9 codes Severe Sepsis 995.92 or Septic Shock 785.52.
>
> Andrea Crittenden, RN
> Quality Improvement Specialist
> Providence St. Peter Hospital- Olympia, WA
> 360-486-6465<tel:360-486-6465>
>
> From:
> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]
> On Behalf Of Hunter, Patricia
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:33 AM
> To: Taylor, Barbara A; Ron Daniels
> Cc:
> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>
> Subject: Re: [Sepsis Groups] Time Zero
>
> Our Hospital currently performs Sepsis audits on ED and IP.  We are relying
> on clinical personnel to capture sepsis patients for the audit.  There is
> much discussion about moving the audit to more retroactive and pulling those
> patients with codes specific to Sepsis.  Is anyone doing auditing relying on
> coding solely?
> If so, what ICD9 Codes are you using to pull data?
>
> Thanks,
> Pat
>
>
> Patricia Hunter, RN
> Clinical Data Analyst
> Performance Excellence
> Mercy Medical Center - Des Moines, Iowa
> 515-643-2206<tel:515-643-2206>
>
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