There are subtlties of antibiotic administration that must be considered:

1) While most centers mark start time at spiking the bag of the first broad
spectrum antibiotic for infusion, the patient marks start time at  infusion
of a sufficient dose of antibiotic effective against the organism
responsible for the clinical syndrome. Each center would benefit from
looking at their in-house data to ensure administration of effective
agents. Ceftriaxone is useless if the problem is MRSA pneumonia.

2) In real time one seldom knows the organism and which of 2 or 3 selected
antibiotics will be effective. Many centers have implicit or explicit rules
prohibiting rapid administration or simultaneous administration of 2 or
more agents. This may be to better allow analysis of potential adverse side
effects or allergic reactions. The patients, however, may be better served
by disregarding these rules and rapidly administering agents
simultaneously. As an alternative, at least we could be more vigilant about
first giving the antibiotic effective against the most highly suspected
organism.

3) It is interesting to note that some antibiotics result in more rapid
killing and therefore faster release of endotoxin. I'm unaware of studies
or data, but one might wonder if the price for faster killing might be a
higher chance of early clinical deterioration.

Thanks
Ron Elkin, MD
California Pacific Medical Center
San Francisco


On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Mary Draper <[email protected]
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> We time it off of getting started. Infusion times can vary but start time
> is easier to time off.
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