With the example of SIRs+, documented infection, and then a lactate >2 or 4, OR 
any other Lab showing organ dysfunction, does the clock start with the last 
piece of the puzzle:
Example:
2 SIRs + at triage time =  2000
Lactate >2 OR any other lab [Creatinine 2.0 or >, MAP <65, Bilirubin >2, INR 
>1.5] at 2015
Doctor note indicating infection at 2020

Does the clock start at 2020?

Another question I have: what if the patient has Chronic renal failure, is the 
Creatinine thrown out as organ dysfunction? Is there a rule or guideline to 
follow in that instance, that ANOTHER organ must show signs of ACUTE 
dysfunction?

Betsy Pesek MN, BSN, RN, CCRN, CPHQ


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Just for clarification purposes-

A patient comes in at 2000 with SIRS criteria + documented pneumonia + lactate 
level of 5.47 = severe sepsis, however wouldn't this also be the time clock for 
the septic shock due to the lactate level > 4? I was thinking that both severe 
sepsis and septic shock time clocks would had started at the same time due to 
the lactate level.
Thanks,

CariAnn




 

CariAnn Dahlquist RN

Quality Management

Altru Health System | Grand Forks, ND

701.780.5339 phone | 701.780.1942 fax | [email protected] ( 
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>>> "Jennifer L Halligan [SJGH]" <[email protected]> 9/23/2015 1:42 PM
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Hi Dr. Townsend,
 
I completely understand now the CMS SEP-1 measure ?shock clock? time zero 
starts when the you have tissue hypoperfusion, evidenced by either initial 
lactate > 4 or persistent hypotension in the hour after crystalloids fluids 
given. Am I the only one that was totally mixed up thinking the shock clock 
started with severe sepsis with hypotension or lactate greater than 4? I feel a 
little foolish as I posted a few things. I am now cleared up but just wondering 
if you can help explain if there was/is a difference at all with how the SSC 
did ?shock clock time zero? and how CMS is doing shock clock time zero.
Thank you so much for all your hard work!
 
Jennifer Halligan, RN
Quality Review Nurse
San Joaquin General Hospital
Tel: 209-468-7471
Fax: 209-468-7011
 
 
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Hello,

I want to thank Dr. Townsend for responding to my questions: thank you so much 
for your well-reasoned response. I have spoken with a few physicians using that 
line of thinking and it has been effective. Thank you again.

Re: critical values: Our facility is also adding Lactic acid >2 mmol/L as a 
critical value.

New Question: We have approved a nurse-driven protocol where, based on our 
severe sepsis screening tool, a rapid response ICU nurse may call Code Sepsis 
and order blood cultures, lactic acid, as well as loading doses of Vancomycin 
and either Zosyn or Merrem. What other facilities have added antibiotics to 
their nurse-driven protocols, and how have you provided parameters, education, 
and safety measures (anything beyond the usual)? Would you be willing to share 
any materials along those lines?

Thanks,
Gayle Porter RN BSN
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Theresa,

in theory all of these would have value for assessing perfusion. I don?t 
believe any have been proven for sepsis.

SVI (stroke volume index), SVV (SV variability) and PPV (pulse pressure 
variability).  The first two you need a CO monitor that last one is often built 
into the vital signs monitor or the CO monitor.

or did i missed the question asked.

g


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Anyone using SVI with their sepsis patients regarding fluid 
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Do you have protocols that you would share?
How long or what are the stopping points to the use of SVI for fluid 
resuscitation/management?
Are you using 250, 500, or 1000 ml? and how often?
Thank you


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