Hi Claire,
We have the exact same issue. Our ED physicians have 24 hours to complete their 
note which makes it extremely difficult to get the documentation of suspected 
or actual infection. Many times it throws off the timing of the appropriate 
treatment that occurred prior to that. I hope that later versions of this 
measure will develop a more accurate way to determine the presentation time 
because this does not give a clear picture of compliance.

Dena
Dena Videtic RN BSN
Quality Indicators
Doctors Hospital
Coral Gables, FL
786-308-3315

From: Sepsisgroups [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Claire Sirois-Melvin
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 10:24 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Sepsis Groups] Repeat Lactate

Hello,

We are having challenges at some of our facilities with meeting bundle 
compliance due to timing of repeat lactates. The issue is often that even 
though we are drawing more than 1 Lactate, the second lactate is actually 
becoming our "Initial Lactate" due to timing of Severe Sepsis. According to 
Technical Specifications,  the "initial Lactate"  is the one drawn closest to 
time 0.
For example,

Patient comes in with a cough, fever,  and an elevated HR at 1420, MD orders 
lactate and Blood Culture which are drawn at 1430. Lactate results come back at 
3.0 at 1515. MD orders fluids and antibiotics at 1530, but does not document  
infection until 1700 (? pneumonia in admission order.) Repeat Lactate ordered 
and drawn at 1830 with result of 2.2 ... In this scenario, the Severe Sepsis 
time zero is 1700. Based on abstraction guidelines, this makes the second 
Lactate at 1830 the "initial Lactate" since it is the one drawn closest to time 
0. Providers do not order another lactate to be drawn until the next morning 
since the value is trending downward. This case fails due to no repeat Lactate 
within 6 hrs of SST zero.

This is frustrating for providers since the care is appropriate, and just the 
timing of documentation throws off the timing of initial lactate.

Is anyone having similar challenges or does anyone have a 
process/recommendation in place for such scenerios.

Any information you can share would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in 
advance!

Claire

Claire Sirois-Melvin RN, BSN
Quality Measure Resource Specialist - Steward Healthcare
824 Oak Street, Brockton, MA 02301
Email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>




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