Specs Manual for 1/1/19-6/30/19 states crystalloid fluids within 6 hours prior 
through 3 hours after either initial hypotension date/time or septic shock 
presentation date/time, whichever occurs the earliest.  According to the 
information you provided, initial hypotension was at 0420 (as noted by another 
user, needs to be 2 qualifying readings).  The only the IV fluids given 6 hours 
prior through 3 hours after 0420 was the single 500 ml bag at 0430; the rest of 
the fluids administered fall outside that time frame.  A diagnosis of septic 
shock at an earlier date/time would change the scenario.  The thought process 
was incorporated into Surviving Sepsis Campaign.  Patients with severe sepsis 
and septic shock may have ineffective arterial circulation due to vasodilation 
(resulting hypotension) which can cause an elevated lactate.  Those patients 
need fluids to expand circulating volume and effectively restore perfusion 
pressure so the time frame to administer IV fluids evolves around the period of 
initial hypotension and/or elevated lactate > 4 rather than "time zero".

You mentioned instances where the provider doesn't feel hypotension was related 
to sepsis.  The Specs Manual "Notes for Abstraction" for the data element 
"Initial Hypotension" states MD/APN/PA documentation prior to or within 24 
hours after severe sepsis presentation time indicating hypotension is normal 
for the patient, due to a chronic condition or medication, or due to  an acute 
condition that has a non-infectious source you should not use the hypotension.  
Our system has been encouraging enhanced provider documentation to more clearly 
identify and distinguish cases of true severe sepsis/septic shock from abnormal 
values that are related to other conditions.  I hope you find this helpful.

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To: Duane, Molly; 'sepsisgroups@lists.sepsisgroups.org'
Subject: [External] Re: [Sepsis Groups] Fluid resuscitation prior to time zero

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Good evening,
We have had several misses for the same thing.  No we don't give the whole 
fluid bolus for all hypotension.
Suzette

Suzette Boyer RN, BSN
Sepsis Coordinator
Office:  719-595-8475
suzette_bo...@parkviewmc.com



From: Sepsisgroups [mailto:sepsisgroups-boun...@lists.sepsisgroups.org] On 
Behalf Of Duane, Molly
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 5:26 PM
To: 'sepsisgroups@lists.sepsisgroups.org'
Subject: [Sepsis Groups] Fluid resuscitation prior to time zero

Good Evening,
Can someone please explain why we are held accountable to give 30 ml/kg for 
hypotension prior to time zero?

Time zero: 0954 (0420: RR 22, 0435 Temp 35.0; 0420 SBP 87; 0954 H&P: possible 
sepsis).
The patient received 500 ml boluses X4: at 0430, 0929, 1154 & 1210. Pt weighed 
53 kg/required 1530 ml.

The miss is: we did not give 30 ml/kg within 3 hours of initial hypotension 
(0420). Do you all give 30 ml/kg for all hypotension, even if the provider does 
not think sepsis is the cause for the hypotension? In this case we gave more 
than enough fluid within 3 hours of time zero, but obviously still missed.

Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Molly



Molly Duane RN, BSN, CCRN-K
Sepsis Program Coordinator
Detroit Receiving Hospital
Harper-Hutzel Hospital
Office: 313-745-4340
Cell: 248-709-6218

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