Its amazing when someone states the obvious, how dumb one can feel!
thanks, its always nice to learn a principle well, which i hope i now
have

I dont understand what Mysql is doing, the query produces results but
i am not sure what they represent. i expect mysql thinks that its
being helpful, something that i think i would have preferred it not
to.... is postgresql better in this respect? in terms of sticking to
the SQL standard and not letting one take liberties? if so i would
probably switch over to using it on my next project.

thanks again, i really appreciate your patience!

Cheers
Joe

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