.... and James MAIN HEAD has been building and running against Avalon
releases successfully for more than a year including operation runtime
validation throughout that period. 

Stephen.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Danny Angus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:22
> To: James Developers List
> Subject: RE: Avalon - moving away from ?
> 
> Noel, guys,
> 
> > is almost entirely due to container contract changes
> >made by Avalon.  I would like us to be more independent of that
> treadmill.
> 
> +1
> 
> > Avalon is in quite a state of upheaval and flux.  I hope that something
> > healthy will emerge, but cannot assume that there won't be contract
> changes
> > as it goes forward.
> 
> As this has been the case for as long as I've been associated with James I
> would be very wary of basing any James PM decisions on predictions of
> stability in Avalon.
> 
> No disrespect to those guys, but they have a different agenda to us.
> As far as I am concerned our mission is to evolve an increasingly stable
> and performant product for our users, particularly focusing on James'
> suitability as a component of larger (or "enterprise") systems (which
> seems
> to be a key market), whilst obeying the principle of least surprise, all
> this requires confidence by the users in our ability which in turn
> requires
> predictability and stability in our process and our product.
> I believe we can (and largely do) achieve this through defect fixes and
> enhancements to code and architecture.
> I'm a died in the wool evolutionist as far as James is concerned.
> As far as Avalon is concerned they are observably revolutionary in their
> approach, and have different goals than us. James would benefit by
> adopting
> many of the changes Avalon makes, but they come at a price. In order to
> adopt chnage from Avalon we have to seek understanding of the how & the
> why, perform impact assessments, write and test code, regression test, and
> load test simply in order to play catch up and with no guarentees that
> Avalon isn't going to revolutionise, deprecate or simply abandon any of
> the
> prerequisites of this work.
> This effort is not available most times from the James community. Why?
> because by and large we and our users are satisfied with James' macro
> performance and our incentives are in getting the details right.
> 
> As you say Paul's proposal would be bet hedging, I can see (and hope I've
> articulated) a good justification for doing that, but if we chose to do
> that would we have the resources and incentive to see it through? Is Paul
> offering to lead this and perform a significant part of the work?
> 
> d.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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