> > Btw,
> > this topic is mine ;-) and the proposal is for a problem at 
> an higher level.
> 
> Huh? "mine"? Don't go there, it isn't funny and won't win you 
> any friends.

Hey Danny, please note the emoticons ;-)

Btw I don't think that friendship is an evaluation measure for proposals ;-)

> I am trying to help you to address your higher level problem 
> by proposing an architecture within which you can modify 
> James to resolve your use-cases.

Sorry, I think this "versus" discussion is pointless.

The MAIN difference I see is that I state my proposal goal and target is
different from your while you are trying to convince me that we should
choose the better between the two proposal.

I like your proposal and I hope you'll implement it because once committed
implementing my layer on top of your protocol handling layer will be easier.
I will resubmit my proposal again later.

As I said in my proposal footnotes I don't have time to work on fast-fail
right now: I'm working on DSN and RemoteDelivery optimisations. I tried to
discuss with dev mailing list  members about my DSN changes with no
feedback, so I'm implementing the thing I need and I will submit directly
the patch. You will decide wether to accept the patch or not.

> > Again, I don't see problems with the 2 proposal, they are not 
> > alternative
> > solutions: mine fast-fail extension behaviour will be built 
> over your "api".
> 
> I agree. I am not against your ideas, I'm just trying to put 
> them in context.

I'm sorry if I repeat myself but I think our ideas are in different context:
there no needs to mix them.

I think that my is a "Fast-fail proposal" and your is a "Extensible protocol
handler proposal" but I don't want to choose the name for you so please
choose 2 names for the 2 layers and I will use them.

Stefano


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