Hey Benoit, You're completely right, the soft reject action is worthless as a mailet. There is already an experimental SpamAssassin SMTP hook. Do you think a Rspamd hook might also make sense? In addition to greylisting, Rspamd also has a more advanced rate limiting mechanism than James. The Rspamd tests always take less than 2s with my current configuration which would probably not hit any timeouts. If that would be too much, one could also use another rspamd instance that only has the ratelimiting and greylisting modules and would be way faster.
Best regards, Felix On 7/7/26 12:51 PM, Benoit TELLIER wrote: > > Hello Felix > > <listener> <class>org.apache.james.rspamd.RspamdListener</class> > <async>true</async> <configuration> <reportAdded>false</reportAdded> > </configuration> </listener> > Allows to unplug this undesirable behaviour: i think it shall be made the > default. > >> The "greylist" and "soft reject" actions are not handled. > > Correct. > > greylisting makes no sens in a post queue set up. We can only greylist if > running in the smtp stack. > > soft-reject and quarantine actions would be best handled as add-header IMO > > Do you want to contribute this?-- > > > Best regards, > > Benoit TELLIER > > General manager of Linagora VIETNAM. > Product owner for Twake-Mail product. > Chairman of the Apache James project. > > Mail: [email protected] > Tel: (0033) 6 77 26 04 58 (WhatsApp, Signal) > > > > On Jul 7, 2026 12:10 PM, from Felix Auringer <[email protected]>Hey, > > I have some questions regarding the rspamd integration in James. > > Currently, when I move a message from my Spam folder to the Inbox, it is > marked as ham twice: once because it was moved out of the spam folder in > another folder that is not the trash folder and once because the message was > appended to the Inbox. > Is this desired behavior? The MailboxEvents.Added object has a method to > check whether the email was delivered (or moved). Additionally checking this > would make more sense to me. > > James distinguishes the following six actions: "no action", "greylist", "add > header", "rewrite subject", "soft reject", "reject". > I tested that James successfully handles the actions "no action", "rewrite > subject" and "reject". > For the latter two and "add header", James also sets two headers and marks > them so that they can be moved to the spam folder if desired. > The "greylist" and "soft reject" actions are not handled. > > However, Rspamd emits different actions: "discard", "reject", "rewrite > subject", "add header", "no action", "soft reject", "quarantine" > (docs.rspamd.com/configuration/metrics#introduction). > We would especially be interested in the "soft reject" action to implement > greylisting. Additionally, rspamd returns a list of headers it wants to > remove / add. I think honoring those would also be benefitial. > Would you be open for contributions on these topics? > > Best regards, > Felix > --- > Gesellschaft für interkulturelles > Zusammenleben gGmbH (GIZ) > Felix Auringer > IT > Reformationsplatz 2 > 13597 Berlin > > Tel: 030/513 0100 00; Fax: 030/513 0100 09 > giz.berlin; [email protected] > > Amtsgericht Charlottenburg HRB 200872 B > Geschäftsführerin: Dr. Britta Marschke > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > --- Gesellschaft für interkulturelles Zusammenleben gGmbH (GIZ) Felix Auringer IT Reformationsplatz 2 13597 Berlin Tel: 030/513 0100 00; Fax: 030/513 0100 09 www.giz.berlin; [email protected] Amtsgericht Charlottenburg HRB 200872 B Geschäftsführerin: Dr. Britta Marschke --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
