On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Sameer Verma <sve...@sfsu.edu> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 6:06 AM, David Farning > <dfarn...@activitycentral.com> wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Sameer Verma <sve...@sfsu.edu> wrote: >>> Just noticed that on >>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Installing_Software_0.7 it says that >>> stable version is XS 0.7 and unstable is XSCE 0.3 >>> >>> Is this correct? >>> >>> Is XSCE to become XS 0.8? I am all in favor of the two projects >>> merging, but as I understand it, XS and XSCE are two very *different* >>> projects as of now. Some clarification would be great! >> >> This question has many interesting implications! While I don't know >> the answer to your question I do have some more specific follow on >> questions. >> >> Questions about today: >> >> If I am a deployment, large or small, looking to deploy a school >> server, which should I choose? and Why? >> >> If I am a deployment, large or small, looking to make customizations >> to my school server, which 'base' should I choose? Should I upstream >> my customizations or should hold on to them? >> >> If I a contributor looking to help ICT4E move forward, which school >> server should I work on and why? >> >> Questions about the future: >> >> Is the XS feature complete? Does it do everything it can to add value >> to deployments? If there are ways to add more value, is there a plan >> or funding model to support that development? >> >> Is the XSCE feature complete? Does it do everything it can to add >> value to deployments? If there are ways to add more value, is there a >> plan or funding model to support that development? > > It's not that complicated. My original assertion was to be clear about > the roadmap for XS and XSCE. It is now clear that the XSCE project is > not going to be the next XS. Both projects are very different, and > convergence may not be in the best interests of all parties involved. > So be it. Move along. Nothing to see here. > > From my perspective, XS is designed by OLPC to service their projects, > which tend to be larger than microdeployments. XSCE, on the other hand > seems to be driven by smaller LAN size, such as the classroom scenario > promoted by AU, or my India project. > > We use XS 0.7 in Jamaica because it was the only game in town back > then, it runs atop CentOS, and it uses Moodle, which we are not averse > to. It is also tried and tested in many other deployments much larger > than ours, so that's comforting. > > I also use XSCE in India, but for entirely different reasons. I needed > something that was extremely low power. XS 0.6 that ran on a FitPC was > ok, but it pulled 8W. I couldn't move up to XS 0.7, because of a PAE > issue, and didn't have the resources to wrangle with it. The XO 1.75 > as XS running XSCE fits the bill for very low power, although running > atop Fedora does not give me clear upgrade paths. We'll see how > quickly that install gets old. In fact, XS 0.6 was on F9, and suffered > the same fate. Personally, I would prefer the stability of CentOS over > the newness of Fedora. > > Can XS 0.7 serve the features of XSCE? With a bit of work, sure. Can > XSCE serve the stability of XS 0.7? With a little bit of work, sure. > The difference in design is based on a difference in the needs of > various projects. I suspect it is also fueled by a "not invented here" > sentiment.
Interesting observations. Can you expound on what you would like to see in XS-0.8 or XSCE-0.5? The XSCE project will start their 0.5 roadmap later this month. Your input is welcome. > While the XS continues to live in the colored box on the wiki as an > "official" offering from OLPC, as I expect it to be, along with the > OLPC images for the XOs (and I hope we hear about the roadmap from the > powers-that-be), I think XSCE needs to grow up and live in its own > space on the wiki as a proper page, and not live in Adam Holt's user > page. It is a community project and it should be treated as such. Let > the deployment pick and choose what they'd like. If living under the > same wiki becomes too contentious, space is cheap! Move some place > else, and while you are at it, please keep the mailing lists open. I > shouldn't have to write a paragraph to Adam and ask permission to be > added to the mailing list. That stifles communication, and if you all > haven't caught on as yet, we are *not* dealing with a technology > problem! This business of building a dozen different server projects > is a people problem. Patches welcome! If it is important to you that the wike move, please take care of the logistics to move it. A proper web site would be nice as well. If you are not happy with the mailing list, please set up and curate a public list. > I look forward to more communication on this and other lists and I > sincerely hope we can continue to work together as one community. > > Oh, and I hope to see you all in October. http://www.olpcsf.org/node/133 Interesting use of the thinly veiled insults followed by a pick up line. Has your wife been making you sit through romantic comedies from the 80s? :) > cheers, > Sameer > >> >> Questions for OLCP: >> >> Are there steps OLPC can do to encourage deployments to fund further >> development of XS by OLPC developers? Are there steps OLPC can do to >> encourage direct development of XS by deployments? >> >> Would it be effective for OLPC to support and fund future development >> of XSCE or a product based on XSCE? >> >> Would OLPC officially endorse XSCE as supported project? >> >> Questions for XSCE: >> >> What can XSCE do to ensure that it continues to improve by adding >> values to deployments with each quarterly release? >> >> What can XSCE do to ensure future development viability via community >> support, deployment support, OLPC support, or support through Activity >> Central? >> >> What steps can XSCE do to ensure that is solid base project for future >> product offerings by: OLPC-A, XS; OLPC-AU, One Network; Plan Ceibal, >> ?; OLE-Nepal, ?; Activity Central, Dextrose Server. >> >> Immediate questions: >> >> Is XSCE overstepping by have its wiki at laptop.org? Should XSCE >> remain in a user space at laptop.org? >> >> Should XCE have its own mailing list at laptop.org? Should it continue >> the current blend of xsce-de...@googlegroups.com + >> server-devel@lists.laptop.org ? >> >> So.... I don't know the answer to your original question. These are >> the questions that come to my mind when I think about the relationship >> between XS and XSCE and their future :) >> >>> cheers, >>> Sameer >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Server-devel mailing list >>> Server-devel@lists.laptop.org >>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel >> >> >> >> -- >> David Farning >> Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com >> >> -- David Farning Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com _______________________________________________ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel