Hey David,

thank you for your follow-up. Had a good read.

A bit of a rant was supposed to follow here - but for some reason I just tried to remove sendmail from my current opensuse 15.6 and to my surprise it just worked without any issues. Well, the removal of the package that was - as for what broke: from what I noticed only php's mail() function. It results in a simple line in apache's error_log: /usr/sbin/sendmail not found - while mail() still returns 0 for success. But as I had it setup for some project I never implemented only I can live without it - for now. And if I feel the need for it I simply install sendmail, put the nullclient config in place - modify the service file to remove the -bd option to make it stop listen on port 25 - and back to normal. So, from that point - seems even OpenSuse doesn't really require sendmail as a hard dependency anymore which makes setup of James even easier.

I was also looking into a way to setup a replication from between my main root and my home backup but the guice built lacks the fetchmail part and I haven't looked into the cluster built, yet. Another option could be simple mysql-replication which would work even both ways - but actually I also could write up some java code monitoring my about 30 mailboxes for various services and sync them this way.

Although I will stick to James I may look into your guide and give it a shot in a VM just to see if I'm finally experienced enough to get it working after about 10 years of having it tried last time.

Have a good one everyone.

Matt


Am 25.01.25 um 10:02 schrieb David Matthews:
hi Matt

It may be that you run some software that pulls in a sendmail/sendmail clone that I do 
not? I use bsd-mailx to make cron happy and I never had any trouble doing an "apt 
delete exim4" (in my case) and everything just carrying on with James listening on 
port 25.

You could also remove the executable bit from exim4/sendmail to stop it 
competing with a James install for the smtp port(s).

To be honest, I never ran James in production although I had it running nicely 
on a testing machine. If anything it seemed to me as newbie even more scary 
than exim4 and dovecot and it does conflict rather with the unix notion of 
doing *one* thing well. A mail exchanger on its own is already doing a ton of 
things, without combining it with your imap server! And either exim4 or dovecot 
alone are scary enough for me :-)

I've built up a store of experience with those devils that I was loath to 
abandon, hence why I didn't stick with james. But anyway, it's good to be 
around people that persist in running their own mail exchangers; I'm astonished 
at the great mass of technical people that think it's too hard to bother with. 
Sure there's a lot of fiddling to be done to get everything working properly, 
but it is do-able and generally, once it's done it's done!

--
David Matthews
m...@dmatthews.org


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