> I did not read any message that said "because it is in the OSI
> model". Rather the messages have been saying "the model says X". Do
> you not believe the model has value? That could be a legitimate
> complaint worth discussing. Otherwise I think the model is generally
> accepted as having value, and so refering to the model seems to have
> value.
The OSI model? Sure .. and that's a very successful model??? At least
refer to the TCP stack if you want to make a distinction people will
understand and appreciate; OSI is dead, has been dead, and never really
lived.
> Sorry. I don't even understand what "does not appear to be
> forthcoming" means. You'll need a highly paid consultant for
> that. After all, they seem to have that "SOA" thing covered so well.
I did not ask about "SOA" at all - I asked about transfer vs. transport
protocols. Mark and others have repeatedly said HTTP is the right answer
to various things because its a transfer protocol and not a transport
protocol. However, no one can give a clear definition of that without
referring to a deader-than-dead model? Come on, you can do better than
that!
> "I didn't want to have a long thread on this" -- what kind of a
> response is that? Let's go back to shallow platitudes of SOA as soon
> as possible, yes, please. Why try to work out issues of substance.
That was not what I meant Patrick; I didn't think this was a point worth
belaboring as its about definitions and definitions are hard to come up
with. However, I'm happy to push you folks who get the difference to
come up with a clear, consistent definition.
> Sorry I am not "enlightened" enough to just fall hook, line, and
> sinker that WS-* will save my organization. 'Cause otherwise it would
> "be doomed".
Again, who said ANYTHING about WS-*??? I'm asking for an explanation of
transport vs. transfer. Why are you becoming defensive answering that
question??
> When the going gets tough...
I'm not going anywhere.
Sanjiva.
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