+1 I think WS-RX over the internet and bridging domains of AMQP (whether layered under JMS or some other API is immaterial to be honest), is the way to go in general. However, there may be good reasons for looking at SOAP/AMQP behind the corporate firewall, where the need for HTTP isn't as strict but performance is the keyword. I think it's too early to call it one way or another, but I'd certainly not rule it out.
Mark. Paul Fremantle wrote: > > Guy > > I wasn't suggesting WS-RX *over* AMQP. I was suggesting a mixture of the two - an Open JMS implementation with a well-defined wire protocol and then bridging into Web Services. I personally think if we can make WSRM/RX fast enough then we can get very wide adoption. > > As regards "queued" WSRX, we already offer that. WSO2 Tungsten implements it as does code from IBM and others. RM is "just" a wire protocol and doesn't talk about implementations, but certainly the Apache implementation was designed to support persistent reliability. > > Paul > > On 6/23/06, *Guy Crets* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > Paul, > WS-RX over AMQP: fine within organizations, but getting through > corporate firewalls really requires HTTP(S). On the WS-RX part: > please give us "queued" WS-RX, whereby messages are persisted. With queued WS-RX, we have a nice alternative for AS2, ebMS, RNIF > and so on. > Regards, Guy Crets > -----Original Message----- > *From:* [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>]*On > Behalf Of *Paul Fremantle > *Sent:* vrijdag 23 juni 2006 17:25 > *To:* [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [service-orientated-architecture] AMQP > > Anne > > I see a lot of opportunities for WS-RX AND AMQP. For example, > bridging between systems which use the MOM model and systems that > use the Service model. I also see opportunity for WSRM/RX (and as > the chair of the TC you can expect some bias!) as a truly > interoperable model that IBM and Tibco are both implementing. > > There is also an effort in Apache to produce a pure C version of > the WSRM/RX protocol that I hope will perform competitively with > MQ and other persistent reliable messaging engines. > > Paul > > On 6/23/06, *Anne Thomas Manes* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > I think this sentence is a bit optimistic: > > JMS APIs over AMQ could easily interoperate with .NET clients > or any other language or platform that can communicate via AMQP. > > This would only work if the JMS vendors and Microsoft abandon > their investments in proprietary protocols and adopt AMQP. > Such a move might breathe new life into the MOM market, but > can you see 90+% of the Fortune 500 converting their existing > apps from MQSeries and Tibco RV to AMQP? These protocols are > as entrenched as CICS/COBOL. > > Where I see a great opportunity is WS-RX over AMQP. > > Anne > > On 6/23/06, *Stefan Tilkov* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > On Jun 23, 2006, at 7:22 AM, patrickdlogan wrote: > > > "standardize best practice - yes, if you can, absolutely, > like what > > we're looking into currently with AMQP, but this is not > always > > possible" > > > > Please say more. > > > > You mean about AMQP or about the process? > If it's the first, here's some more info: > http://www.infoq.com/news/amq > > Stefan > > > -Patrick > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Paul Fremantle > VP/Technology, WSO2 and OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > > http://bloglines.com/blog/paulfremantle > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com > <http://www.wso2.com> > > > > > -- > Paul Fremantle > VP/Technology, WSO2 and OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair > > http://bloglines.com/blog/paulfremantle > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com <http://www.wso2.com> > ___________________________________________________________ All New Yahoo! Mail Tired of [EMAIL PROTECTED]@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/NhFolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/service-orientated-architecture/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
