To be fair, Harm, there are also some excellent MPs as well. The House of Lords is obviously a superior political destination as otherwise how could Tony "Miranda" Blair manage to persuade so many hard-nosed, successful businessmen to part with large sums of money to buy peerages??
Gervas --- In [email protected], "Harm Smit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gervas, I wasn't aware of your poor opinion about the House of Commons. > Then what about the House of Lords? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Gervas Douglas > Sent: dimanche 16 juillet 2006 21:38 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [service-orientated-architecture] Re: Zapthink on SOA/REST > > > > Harm, > > I was being a bit clumsy in my attempt to draw a comparison in a > diplomatic way. Despite the visceral passions that SOA naturally > arouses, we do like to keep this Group polite and dispassionate. I > would certainly expect the members of the Group to communicate with a > higher sense of maturity and courtesy than is to be found in the > British House of Commons, a significant proportion of whose members > seem to be indolent toadies or yobs (or frequently both!). I am > naturally an undiplomatically direct individual on occasions, but if > in doubt in a situation like this, my rule of thumb is - would I say > this to my boss's boss? > > Gervas > Monitor > > --- In service-orientated- > <mailto:service-orientated-architecture%40yahoogroups.com> > [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Harm Smit" > <hsmit@> wrote: > > > > Gervas, > > > > Maybe the term is a bit harsh, but it translates my disappointment > with > > the fact that after a discussion with 150+ messages on the subject of > > the lightbulb, somebody still comes up with an off-target concept. I > > could have said "I'm not quite sure I'd put it that way", which is how > > it would have been formulated in the British parliament and which > sounds > > more polite but is sometimes more agressive. I think on a list like > > this, direct statements are preferrable to convoluted expressions of > the > > political style. But in any case this doesn't imply anything personal. > > > > Harm. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: service-orientated- > <mailto:service-orientated-architecture%40yahoogroups.com> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:service-orientated- > <mailto:service-orientated-architecture%40yahoogroups.com> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Gervas Douglas > > Sent: vendredi 14 juillet 2006 12:15 > > To: service-orientated- > <mailto:service-orientated-architecture%40yahoogroups.com> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [service-orientated-architecture] Re: Zapthink on SOA/REST > > > > > > > > Harm, > > > > I know that English is not your first language, but pointing out the > > deficiencies in someone else's statement by baldly stating it is > rubbish > > is considered very direct and personal, whether it is true or not (and > I > > am not the person to adjudicate on that latter point in this > instance!). > > It is however totally excusable, if sometimes a little unwise to > address > > a flic or douanier in such a manner. When talking to a politician it > is > > usually true as well as being almost always excusable:) > > > > Gervas > > > > --- In service-orientated- > > <mailto:service-orientated-architecture%40yahoogroups.com> > > architecture@ <mailto:architecture%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, > "Harm Smit" > > <hsmit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: service-orientated- > > <mailto:service-orientated-architecture%40yahoogroups.com> > > architecture@ <mailto:architecture%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:service-orientated- > > <mailto:service-orientated-architecture%40yahoogroups.com> > > architecture@ <mailto:architecture%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of > > > Jan Algermissen > > > Sent: jeudi 13 juillet 2006 23:23 > > > To: service-orientated- > > <mailto:service-orientated-architecture%40yahoogroups.com> > > architecture@ <mailto:architecture%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: [service-orientated-architecture] Zapthink on SOA/REST > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > On Jul 13, 2006, at 9:38 PM, Ron Schmelzer wrote: > > > > > > > In Web Services, the behavior is explicit because it's defined as > > > > such in a contract. In REST, the behavior is implicit because no > > > > contract defines what happens when XML is submitted or received as > > > > > part of a PUT, GET, POST, or DELETE operation. > > > > > > That's not true, HTTP is the contract that defines what happens. > > > > > > Nope. It's only part of the contract, see below. > > > > > > Could it be that you (and others here) overlook the fact that the > > > HTTP methods are being invoked ON A RESOURCE and not just on a > > > server. The choice of resource, the method and the message type do > > > make pretty clear what is happening. > > > > > > IOW, why do you consider > > > > > > lightbulb10.PUT( ON ) > > > > > > to be less explicit than > > > > > > service.turnOn( lightbulb10 ) > > > > > > The latter is rubbish. It should read: lightbulb10.turnOn() > > > Each lightbulb is an independent, autonomous service provider. > > > > > > Please keep in mind that the message ON in this case must be of a > > > message type both parties understand, it is not just the string > "ON". > > > > > > That's exactly where the difference is. > > > > > > Jan > > > _,_._,___ > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/NhFolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/service-orientated-architecture/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
