Re: [service-orientated-architecture] ROA is not SOA - (was Alternatives to WS Standards)

[Stefan Tilkov]

Sanjiava,

On Nov 25, 2006, at 7:56 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:

On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 23:48 +0100, Stefan Tilkov wrote:
> On Nov 24, 2006, at 9:15 PM, Dennis Sosnoski wrote:
>
> > I agree completely, Paul. POX is clearly the significant
> > alternative to

> > mistakenly consider any use of XML over HTTP as REST.
>
> Again, I'm unsure what definition of POX you're using here - POX can
> be RESTful or not.


invoke services. REST is a religion.

> > SOAP, and REST only has as much mindshare as it does because people And that's why POX is what matters and not REST. POX is a useful way to

I don't understand that statement. What's religious about REST? It's a well-defined and pretty clearly described architecture. You may consider it crap, or non-fitting for your problem, but how is it a religion?

> > AFAIK anything

> > exposing a method call). Do you disagree with this, Stefan?
>
> Absolutely, yes -

> > that involves URLs with a bunch of parameters at the end is not REST > > (because it's not identifying a particular resource, it's effectively

I was a little quick in my answer here; of course a resource can be a collection and the parameters could be those to a query (which would be perfectly RESTful AFAICT.) My agreement was that if the URL includes an operation - especially an unsafe one - it's definitely non-RESTful.

that's why Axis2's REST support is in fact nothing
> of the sort.


support can be used to write RESTful applications and non-RESTful

will write applications. If they want to write RESTful apps, great. If
they want to write non-RESTful SOA app, great. We support both camps.

Yes, its actually POX support. And using your own words above, such POX applications. Its not up to us middleware authors to dictate how people

I don't believe that Axis2's REST/POX can be used to implement a RESTful solution; let's try once we have a design proposal for Dennis's problem.

--
Stefan Tilkov, http://www.innoq.com/blog/st/

Sanjiva.
--
Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.

Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://www.wso2.com/
Director; Open Source Initiative; http://www.opensource.org/
Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/
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