...and SAWSDL (a "recent" W3C working group) allows you to associate semantics 
in the sense of references to ontologies to WSDL element.  Which then can be 
use for various purposes, e.g. trying to find message mediators etc.


----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
Von: Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
An: [email protected]
Gesendet: Sonntag, den 26. November 2006, 17:20:01 Uhr
Betreff: Re: [service-orientated-architecture] ROA is not SOA - (was 
Alternatives to WS Standards)

On Sun, 2006-11-26 at 11:50 +0100, Jan Algermissen wrote:
> On Nov 25, 2006, at 8:08 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
> 
> > WSDL? You either need WSDL (2.0, not 1.1 as the new version has much
> > better POX/HTTP support) or something like it. How else do you tell
> > other (computers) what your RESTful service does?
> 
> Examples:
> 
> http://ietf. org/internet- drafts/draft- ietf-atompub- protocol- 11.txt
> 
> http://tools. ietf.org/ wg/atompub/ draft-snell- atompub-feature- 01.txt
> 
> (the later one being essentially a means to discover services by 
> capability).

I assume you're referring to ATOM service documents. I don't see how
that can be used to define say a URL template, which most people now
recognize as a necessary thing to describe even fully RESTful services.
Am I missing something?

> Aside: can WSDL tell me *everything* I need to know to decide that 
> some service
> Foo is the one I want?

Of course not. 

WSDL tells you *no* semantic information. It only tells you the bare
bones of what you need to know: the format of the data to be sent and
what the service will return. That's it. It doesn't even tell you
whether the data should be signed- that's the domain of WS-Policy and
WS-SecurityPolicy. 

What would make you or anyone think that WSDL provided everything you
needed to know to make a service identity decision?

Sanjiva.
-- 
Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D.
Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation; http://www.opensour ce.lk/
Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://www.wso2. com/
Director; Open Source Initiative; http://www.opensour ce.org/
Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache. org/
Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; http://www.cse. mrt.ac.lk/





        

        
                
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