--- Steve Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So this is a tech only view of both BPM and BPEL, which really isn't > a > nice thing. Why on earth would business processes be "integration > centric"? They've always been "aggregation" centric but integration > is > a purely technical thing. Because businesses aren't going to change their ways due to an analyst group, all the analyst group can do is read the tea leaves of the industry's gyrations... > Lets be clear here, they are talking of products like IBM's Process > Server and Sonic in its BPEL guise, its not a federate process > challege its a "building process application" challenge. Well, I think the "IC-BPMS" is a bit of a step back. It really is a way of categorizing available products. I recall Gartner had a differentiation between "classic pure-play BPM" , "integration BPM" in its magic quadrants. The former was filled with 40+ vendors, mostly startups, the latter tended to be the big infrastructure vendors and a few startups. The recognition seemed to be that most BPM engines that focused on pure-play "business value" were useless in practice other than as a glorified Visio, and the integration ones would never go in the hands of a business person, though they may make a developer more productive. I believe Gartner did away with both quadrants and now looks at the category as "BPMS" (BPM suite), recognizing that the industry seems to finally be getting their act together in creating a unified offering that solves both audience's needs. Forrester seems to just be reverting this back to "nope, it still doesn't really work"... which may be true, but, sigh, it's still sad. > I read through the rest but gave up. There isn't a single thing > there > that talks about anything other than technology implementation, there > was nothing that talked about the actual business value or how this > would change the way people thought about systems. Again, why would you expect anything else from an analyst group? They analyze what the vendors offer, categorize it, and give it context. They don't invent or synthesize... Cheers Stu ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now.
