I still disagree although I admit it's a bit of a nit. The security 
service has nothing to do with business at all. The dependency flows 
in the other direction. Supposing the security service is used in a 
purely scientific system then "business" seems a misnomer.

--- In [email protected], Michael 
Poulin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think that creation of 'generic' (infrastructure - in my  
understanding) services does not contradict 'business-centric'  
definition because, e.g., security service is not about generic or  
abstract safety but about protecting business interests (scientific  
results, in particular) and building business trust; transport 
services  serve the same purpose - allowing business to operate. Not 
all services  have to  implement business services directly but 
those, that do  not implement them, exist because of the needs of the 
business  services, not because they are coooool. All this is about 
money paid by  a business for its benefits. Please, tell me if I am 
wrong.
>   
>   - Michael
> 
> Jim Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:                                                  I would 
rather see:
>   
>   "SOA is a software design paradigm..."
>   
>   rather than:
>   
>   "SOA is a business centric software design paradigm"
>   
>   for two reasons. Firstly there are many wishing to use SOA in 
other
>   environments such as scientific and although they will put up with
>   these categorizations they see them as inaccurate.
>   
>   Secondly, the are also many developing generic services (e.g.
>   security, transport, transaction, etc.) that they really see as 
being
>   used by the business services but not business services. 
>   
>   Also, by removing "business centric" from that statement I don't 
see
>   any cases being eliminated either.
>   
>   --- In [email protected], "Selwyn
>   Akintola" <selwyn@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Back in November as part of my MSc. research I posed the 
>   > question "What is SOA?". The objective was to derive a 
definition of 
>   > SOA that I could use to inform the rest of my studied. Since 
then I 
>   > have received approximately 50 definitions of SOA from various 
>   > sources including from members of this group. First off let me 
thank 
>   > you all for the valuable and insightful input. When I asked the 
>   > question I also committed to being my definition of SOA back to 
this 
>   > group. Her it goes – SOA in less than 100 words-
>   > 
>   > "SOA is a business centric software design paradigm 
characterised by 
>   > the utilisation of well defined standards and protocols to 
create 
>   > services and compose applications from services. SOA mandates 
that 
>   > services are loosely coupled and communicate through the 
exchange of 
>   > messages thereby allowing resource sharing and reuse. 
>   > Interoperability and platform independence allow the 
composition of 
>   > applications from services created using heterogeneous 
resources and 
>   > hosted on heterogeneous technology platforms. SOA is a long 
term 
>   > organization wide cross functional collaborative activity whose 
ROI 
>   > will be achieved by service reuse and efficiencies gained by 
better 
>   > alignment IT with business."
>   >         
>   > Please fill free to comment and critically review.
>   > 
>   > I am now looking at SOA adoption rates, SOA benefits 
realization 
>   > experiences and the relationship between the semantic web (web 
2 or 3 
>   > or whatever it is now) and SOA.
>   > 
>   > Once again thank you for the input. 
>   > 
>   > Selwyn Akintola
>   >
>   
>   
>       
>                                     
> 
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