"...using class diagrams and IDL I've worked with business people to
 approve and validate specifications." - here is nothing to argue about becuase 
the result depends on the kind of business people. For example, my business 
clients would say me 'good bye' after the first attempt to show them class 
diagrams.

- Michael

Steve Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:                                  On 
14/06/07, Bill de hOra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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 > Steve Jones wrote:
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 >  > But IDL was text as far as the users were concerned.  I'd disagree that
 >  > XML makes things more abstract (its not as human readable as IDL files
 >  > were)
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 >  I recall being on a project a few years ago, where we were trying to
 >  figure out why an XML document was causing a validation problem. One of
 >  the business owners had come over to talk to the PM and was standing
 >  behind us. After a minute he pointed out what was up - he spotted  a
 >  co-occurrence constraint was being violated in the document's data. I
 >  don't think this guy had ever seen one these documents before that, but
 >  he could read off the data and knew the domain.  Anyone have a story
 >  like that with an IDL?
 
 You clearly work with different people to me on the business side! But
 yes, using class diagrams and IDL I've worked with business people to
 approve and validate specifications.
 
 N.B. Using modelling tools you can create the pictorials from both XML
 and classes/IDL and I've always found that pictures have been about
 the best way to get everyone understanding.
 >
 >  cheers
 >  Bill
 >                    
 
     
                       

       
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